User talk:Care4elderly

Note, please add new comments to the end of this page - I have moved your help request down there.  Chzz  ►  11:48, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Your uploaded image

I had to reword the description of your image to prevent Conflict of Interest. I suggest you keep it that way to prevent yourself from getting hard--Care4elderly (talk) 11:12, 9 September 2010 (UTC)-blocked from Wikipedia.

Also, your username is of concern, so if you can change it you may be able to add your article to Wikipedia with a few adjustments. mechamind90 06:11, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Counsel and Care

You may want to consider using the Article Wizard to help you create articles.

If this is the first article that you have created, you may want to read the guide to writing your first article.

A tag has been placed on Counsel and Care requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done because the article, which appears to be about a real person, individual animal(s), an organization (band, club, company, etc.), or web content, does not indicate how or why the subject of the article is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not indicate the subject's importance or significance may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable.

If you think that you can assert the notability of the subject, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} at the top of the article, immediately below the speedy deletion ({{db-...}}) tag (if no such tag exists, the page is no longer a speedy delete candidate), and providing your reasons for contesting on the article's talk page, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself. You may freely add information to the article that would confirm the subject's notability under Wikipedia guidelines.

You may want to read the guidelines for specific types of articles: biographies, websites, bands, or companies. Mean as custard (talk) 16:37, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

HELP!

{{helpme}}

I need help with creating an article for a UK National charity called Counsel and Care for the Elderly. I created the page and got a comment from an editor below which I read to be quite positive. I thought I was on the right track and that I could publish it soon. However, it got speedily deleted. Is there a way of recovering this or challenging this as I didn't write it like an advertisement and didn't get a chance to correct whatever 'Mean as Custard' deemed wrong. Thanks, Philip.

Answering this now, please wait a few minutes.

Before doing anything else, please change your username.

It is not permitted to have a company name as a username, see WP:CORPNAME.

Because you have very few edits, the easiest way is to simply 'abandon' this account - change the password to something very long, and forget it - and create a new one.

Once you have done that, please use a {{helpme}} on the talk page of your new user name, and explain that your old name was "Ccarewiki", then we can look at userfying the deleted article.

Alternatively, if you wish, you can request a change of username in WP:CHU.

Either of those would be acceptable, but it is essential that you change your username, before we do anything else.

Best,  Chzz  ►  11:53, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Welcome CcarewikiCare4elderly

Hello, CcarewikiCare4elderly! Welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. You may benefit from following some of the links below, which will help you get the most out of Wikipedia. If you have any questions you can ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and ask your question there. Please remember to sign your name on talk pages by clicking or by typing four tildes "~~~~"; this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you are already loving Wikipedia you might want to consider being "adopted" by a more experienced editor or joining a WikiProject to collaborate with others in creating and improving articles of your interest. Click here for a directory of all the WikiProjects. Finally, please do your best to always fill in the edit summary field when making edits to pages. Happy editing! --Senra (Talk) 15:15, 6 September 2010 (UTC) Getting Started The five pillars of Wikipedia • Tutorial • Your first article How to: edit a page • upload an image Getting Help Frequently Asked Questions Where to ask questions or make comments Request administrator attention Policies and Guidelines Neutral point of view • Reliable sources Verifiability • Citing sources • No original research What Wikipedia is not • Biographies of living persons Manual of Style • Three-revert rule • Sock puppetry Copyrights • Policy for non-free content • Image use policy External links • Spam • Vandalism Deletion policy • Conflict of interest • Notability The Community Community Portal • Adopt-a-user program Assume good faith • Civility • Etiquette No personal attacks • Resolving disputes Build consensus • Village pump Signpost • IRC channels • Mailing lists Things to do Be bold in editing • Help develop an article Maintenance • Peer review • Requested articles Join a WikiProject • Translating articles Cleaning up: General • Spam • Vandalism Miscellaneous Categories • Disambiguity • Stubs User pages • Talk pages Useful templates • Tools • User scripts

Part of the solution.

The only thing I can really suggest is to go to WP:CHU for a new username.

• I'm not an expert on deletion criteria for A7, though. It may require an administrator who is very familiar with A7. All I know is that it generally means the article did not indicate how it was connected to a well known subject (a safe bet being that subject has its own Wikipedia article)
• The other thing I know you could do is request to restore the deleted page to your user space.
• Note that you should only do the above after changing your username.

mechamind90 16:10, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

My reply to your Help page query...

I am copying the relevant parts of my reply here, in case you have not seen it on the Help page

Do you have reliable, independent sources which can verify the information? Does it meet the general notability guidelines and the notability guidelines for organisations? -- if you weren't aware, if you click on the underlined words/phrases in that sentence, it will link to the relevant policies and guidelines which Wikipedia has for reliable/independent sources, verifiability, the general notability guidelines and the notability guidelines specifically for organisations.

The most important part of my response is the fact that the organisation needs to be notable as Wikipedia understands it: this is not the same as "noble" or "worthy" - there are many charities, organisations and companies who perform excellent services, such as C&C, but which do not meet the criteria for inclusion on Wikipedia. Wikipedia does not exist to publicise charities.

Regarding reliable and independent sources - none of the sources which you provided would meet the criteria, all of them being from the organisation itself, and so not independent. It may seem strange that an organisation cannot be counted as being "reliable", but the organisation's website will usually not be neutral - it exists to promote the organisation, after all!

The best sources are national newspapers (such as the Times, the Telegraph, the Independent, the Guardian, etc) or sources like the BBC.

I would have to disagree with what Gandalf61 said in his response to your query, as I do not think that the BBC News link provided meets the "significant coverage" which is required - the whole mention is His call for a levy was supported by Counsel and Care, a charity for elderly people. Stephen Burke, chief executive of the charity, said: "With our ageing population, the care funding gap will continue to grow without radical reform and proper funding.". However, if further coverage could be found at reliable sources, then that would be great! Looking at Google News/Archive, there were no references to the charity (all the references were to "<name> council and CARE" meaning a council, and CARE (relief agency) - I presume).

If there is any way in which I can help, please feel free to contact me on my talk page (you can get there by clicking the 'talk' link in my signature), or leave a message here, I'll see it! -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 17:26, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for your comments. The charity is Counsel and Care - not Council. It's a charity for older people (over 65). Please can I have the page restored which was created in the username CCarewiki so that I can make it more Wikipedia moderator friendly. Thanks. --Care4elderly (talk) 10:42, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Recover Page Please

{{helpme}}

Please can someone recover the deleted page I created under the username Ccarewiki so that I can make another attempt of making it more Wikipedia friendly. Also, please, please, please write on my talk page with comments about what is wrong with it so I can rectify it instead of deleting it all. Thanks. --Care4elderly (talk) 10:53, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Userfication requested on your behalf at Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion#Counsel and Care. Fæ (talk) 11:05, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

You can now work on your draft at User:Care4elderly/Counsel and Care. You may wish to request a review at Requests for feedback. Fæ (talk) 11:15, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Some more advice

Some links which might help, adding to the good advice above:

• WP:Your first article - good general advice
• WP:Notability - what you have to show is "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." The point is that Wikipedia is not a notice-board or listing directory; the test for inclusion is whether other people, independent of the subject, have thought it significant enough to write about. Significant means more than just listing-type mentions; reliable excludes Myspace, Facebook, blogs, places where anyone can post anything; independent excludes the subject's own website, affiliated ones and anything based on press releases. Consider seriously whether the organization meets this requirement, because if it does not, you may find that the attempt to get it into Wikipedia is a frustrating waste of time. There are many worthy organizations which do not qualify for an encyclopedia article, and that is no discredit to them; and there are sites like Myspace where you can set up a page, with the added advantage that you can control what it says, as you will not be able to do here.
• WP:SOAP and WP:Neutral point of view -- Wikipedia is not here to help promote anything.
• Wikipedia is not here to tell the world about your noble cause - the rules apply to non-commercial organizations too.
• WP:Conflict of interest and WP:BESTCOI if you are editing on behalf of the organization.

Regards, JohnCD (talk) 11:40, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Some sources that may be useful

The advice you have so far been given is absolutely correct. However, it appears to me to be very technical and prescriptive. I feel you need more directed help. Please do read the above help you have been given; especially read and click throught the blue links, but also consider the following:

1. It is sometimes useful to look at other similar articles to the one you are editing to get ideas. You can start your search for such articles here. Consider Cancer Research UK, Charitable Society for Social Welfare, National Heritage Foundation, Gift Aid, Sue Ryder. Consider how each of the articles have been written. Take notice of the class of the article; for example unassessed, stub, or start where start is better than stub. Your article will start as a stub. Be aware as stated above it can be hard to create an encyclopaedic article for a charity
2. Please do look for reliable sources. Consider The times] as a possibility but note this particular Times article is not suitable as all it is doing is recording an event
3. consider notability. When was the charity founded? Who founded it? Does it have a Royal patronage? Has the charity achieved any notable feats over the years?
4. please avoid writing the article like a press release or like an advert. Especially do not include direct contact information such as email addresses or phone numbers. Remember that even in talk pages or user pages, real-world contact information is not allowed
5. please do ask me on my talk page if you need any further help

--Senra (Talk) 19:29, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Thank you all!

Thank you so much for all the help you have given to me to try and get this article on Wikipedia. A special thanks to whoever spent the time to research the charity and write up such a brilliant article. I have corrected a couple of figures which were slightly inaccurately and now it looks fantastic! Would it be possible to keep the picture the size it is now as it looks all pixelated at the slightly smaller size.

If it is now suitable to be published, please could someone do this for me as I haven't got a clue how to do this.

Thanks again, --Care4elderly (talk) 11:32, 9 September 2010 (UTC)