User talk:Gadget850

Thanks for the Siberian Eagle!

Most cool, I love stuff like that! I see you've been back to busy here, did you get your PC fixed? :) If so, I just got the last image to improve the Scouting in Australian states pages, but need your help with the backgrounding. (if/when you can) Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 16:11, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Got my main PC recovered from a nasty virus. Let me know on the images. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 10:29, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Sent you a chunk, and thanks! Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 12:42, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Didja gettum? Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 16:24, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Just got a better version of File:-universalsyriacscout.png for clean up, please help! :) Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 11:50, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

merges of ... branch of Girlguiding UK

Can an admin do this for us since the work histories can now be preserved? Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 07:24, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

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thanks, but no thanks

thank you very much but my experiance tonight with trying to post a perfectly harmless artical has put me off from wikipedia. --Pester d. finches (talk) 03:35, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Articles with broken citations

Have there been any changes in the MediaWiki sorting into Category:Articles with broken citations? I thought I am missing something there. I have no idea where to look, so I ask you. Debresser (talk) 10:54, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

I saw it is actually Template:Broken ref sorting there. And the changes have been reverted. Still, I thought I am missing a few pages. Debresser (talk) 11:55, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

BTW, Rich has changed the default sorting for templates etc. in MediaWiki:Cite error refs without references > Category:Pages with missing references list and MediaWiki:Cite error group refs without references > Category:Pages with missing references list to "τ", for a good reason (just something technical) he explained to me elsewhere. I have no problem at all with his attempt to do the same in Template:Broken ref, which you reverted, even though the same reason doesn't (at present) apply here. Debresser (talk) 12:00, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Is there anything that needs fixing? He had also added user pages to Category:Pages with missing references list, which we were not going to maintain. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 12:22, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

I noticed he added userpages, and I had filed my protests on his talkpage already. Nothing to fix in Template:Broken ref. I just expressed my opinion that I am not opposed to changing to "τ".

I saw on Template:Cite web that it is Template:Citation error sorting in Category:Articles with broken citations. And nothing has been changed there. So it must have been my imagination. I wouldn't mind adding categories, help pages and templatesthere as well. I am anyway the only one fixing them. Would you do the honors? I'd make the edit myself, but the page is editprotected. While you're at it, could you wrap the template in <includeonly>...</includeonly> tags, please? Debresser (talk) 12:45, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

<includeonly><span class="error">Error: {{{1|an error occurred}}} when using {{#if:{{{2|}}}|{{tl|{{{2}}}}}|citation template}}</span>{{#switch:{{NAMESPACE}}||Template|Help|Category=[[Category:Articles with broken citations]]|}}</includeonly><noinclude>{{template doc}}</noinclude>

Debresser (talk) 12:50, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Heh— I wasn't familiar with that template, but I can see more places where it should be used. Put the request on the talk page for more visibility. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 13:08, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Just did that. Now will you do it? :) Debresser (talk) 13:38, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Give it a day for someone to object, then I will do it. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 13:41, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Done. Debresser (talk) 15:04, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

I see Martin went ahead and did it. These requests should always be made in a transparent manner. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 17:33, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Request

Is there something you could add to User:Debresser/My_work_on_Wikipedia#Cite_errors? Debresser (talk) 13:48, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

I think it would work better as a table, which I started. We should update this at Help:Cite errors#Namespaces and categories. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 15:58, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

You made a few mistakes in that table, didn't you? Debresser (talk) 18:28, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Ooops- got the category stuck in the table; got interrupted but finished what you had listed. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 18:39, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

I'd still say you have a mistake in the first line. Two even. Debresser (talk) 18:53, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Fixed ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 19:12, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Are there any other that you could add? When you're done, you can delete my primitive list and leave just your table. And sign, please. Credit has to go, where credit has to go. :) Debresser (talk) 18:57, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

You forgot to sign... Debresser (talk) 22:40, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

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Whitelines

In continuation of our discusion on Wikipedia_talk:Stub#Proposal_.28whitelines.29. Perhaps you can get that CSS improved, and we can close the discussion as "drop that requirement"? Debresser (talk) 20:15, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

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Archiveurl

I noticed as of late, that when in Cite web an archivedate is specified without an archiveurl, the error message is "no url specified" instead of "no archiveurl specified" which I seem to remember. Debresser (talk) 15:20, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

It is in {{citation/core}}:

    |{{#if:{{{ArchiveDate|}}}|{{{Sep|,}}} {{#ifeq:{{{Sep}}}|.|A|a}}rchived on {{{ArchiveDate}}}; {{citation error|no {{para|url}} specified}}}}

Changed in this diff. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 16:02, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. Wasn't such a good change, if you ask me. Debresser (talk) 16:39, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

BTW, what's up with Asbox and whitelines? (see my quesion a little higher on this page) Debresser (talk) 16:39, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

See Template talk:Citation/core#Error messages. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 21:26, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Standarisation

What do you say we change "!" in {{Broken ref}} to "τ"? Or more precisely τ{{PAGENAME}}. Then we can change MediaWiki:Cite error refs without references and MediaWiki:Cite error group refs without references to something like all the others, namely {{broken ref|msg=There are {{tag|ref|open}} tags on this page, but the references will not show without a {{tag|references|single}} tag.|cat=Pages with missing references list}}. The two blocks in Template:Broken_ref/doc#Messages could then be merged.

Advantages:

1. All MediaWiki messages are similar, and work through one and the same template. With all the advantages that brings!
2. All templates sort to "τ", which is the more generally accepted sortkey for templates.
3. There is an elegance in the unification of the text of all MediaWiki messages, the fact that they all work through the same template, and sort the same way. Debresser (talk) 21:09, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Looks good, but move this to the cite error talk page for transparency. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 21:15, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Done, see Help_talk:Cite_errors#Standarisation. Debresser (talk) 23:25, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

That was fast. And well done. Apart from a mistake in MediaWiki:Cite error group refs without references. What about the group parameter? Debresser (talk) 11:50, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Ah— thanks for seeing that. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 12:11, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Black Hawk War

I just listed this at FAC. Input appreciated. The nom is here. — Rlevse • Talk • 23:24, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

I've clarified the Ho-Chunk confusion. Pls look it over and see if you can support. — Rlevse • Talk • 21:58, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

NP. Hybrid uses harvbn for books and cite for others. Done with all three. — Rlevse • Talk • 00:52, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

The extra }} are still there, as in Lewis, James. "The Black Hawk War of 1832". Abraham Lincoln Digitization Project. Northern Illinois University. p. 2a. http://lincoln.lib.niu.edu/blackhawk/page2a.html. Retrieved 2009-08-22. }}, at least on my screen. I tried purging too. — Rlevse • Talk • 14:01, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 14:16, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

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Order of the Arrow reverted by SmackBot

User:SmackBot reverted this edit, but I'm not sure why. That anonymous edit updated Clyde Mayer's title from "Director" to "Team Leader". I have not been able to find a citation for this yet, but it is correct.
— Delmont43 ^Talk — 03:02, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

No- I did the revert. It reverted back to a version by me where I reverted back several versions to one by SmackBot. Since there was no edit summary, it looked like vandalism. Looking at the last National Bulletin,[1] I see that Mayer is now the Team Leader, where he was listed as director in the previous bulletin. I have no clue what that means. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 03:14, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Where was the error message

Please see this edit, and notice that there was no error message on the page with the error category. Why is this? Debresser (talk) 12:31, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

It did, but not in red, look closer at Old revision of The Milkmaid (Vermeer). {{Citation}} does it's own error checking, which is formatted differently. Template talk:Citation#Redundant error checking. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 12:54, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Frankly, there could be more error checking across the board. At a glance:

• {{citation}} redundantly checks for |archiveurl= and |archivedate=
• {{citation/core}} checks for |archiveurl= and |archivedate=
• {{cite web}} check for |title= and |url=

---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 13:07, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

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Almost

I saw your edit to MediaWiki:Cite error refs without references and your selfrevert. Actually, apart from the superfluous "}}" brackets, all was looking good. I think you should give it another try without them. Debresser (talk) 17:42, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

I see what happened— I did not update that message today because I had one duplicated in the list. Fixed. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 18:47, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

User pages

I saw you added user pages to the detection of broken references. Why would you do that? 1. No other error message has user pages. 2. Lots of users have old version of articles in their userspace, and who cares what happens there? 3. I for one don't want them here. Was their any consensus/request to add them? Debresser (talk) 20:49, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

It was requested at Help talk:Cite errors#Broken refs on user pages and posted at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#Unhiding reference errors on User-namespace pages for visibility. There is no category associated with user pages. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 20:55, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

I see. I don't think many user will be too happy about this... But as long as they are not added to the category, I have to admit it doesn't affect me. Debresser (talk) 21:02, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

That was my opinion as well. If it becomes a pain, I have a plan for opt-in. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 21:07, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

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Help

I can't understand what is wrong with those two references in William Stanley (Victorian inventor). Can you tell me? BTW, where can I read more about this new way of referencing? Debresser (talk) 16:54, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Working. -— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 17:09, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. With list-defined references, ever reference in the list must have a name. When the article was updated, two references were moved as one, and the second never got named. See Help:Footnotes and {{r}}. I will be doing some updates soon on the help page. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 17:29, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Please, brother...

My graphic friend is back and ready to go. I'm requesting that you top-shelf the existing list, so at least the new ones created have proper names. Please. Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 12:37, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

I'm fairly well finished on documenting the update to the footnotes system. File moving is now enabled, so that will help. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 13:07, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Ya lost me, huh? Anyway that sounds like a yes. :) Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 13:14, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

ps-no Internet at my apartment for a few days, checking from work. Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 13:15, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

• There is a new option for references— I have been heavily involved in documenting it and some new templates
• Admins can now rename files

---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 15:58, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Cool, but I've been noticing after some (about half) of the renames, the image is now redlinked and somehow the image is broken. Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 15:02, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Renames are sometimes broken if the name includes a non-ASCII character. Give me some examples. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 17:35, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

GSA redirects

Hey Gadget, thanks for taking care of those redirects. I hope that my 16 September repair of two dozen or so of them didn't cause too much trouble, as I see that you were all over them the same day. BTW, did you just happen to be watching the help desk? -- ToE^T 17:18, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

You are welcome. When I first created some of them, I thought constructs like "Girls Scouts" was awkward, but it is what was published. Thankfully they changed it. As I said- the GSUSA is just not consistent in naming— some use council and others don't. There was one where I looked their business records up to verify their name because what was on their website just didn't look right. Anyway, I'm a regular at the HD. I don't know why— I've been doing tech support for 15 years.

Debresser

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That is indeed so. But it doesn't show the difference in shortkey between articles and templates etc. But for me the main thing is that I wanted something small, that would tell me all I need to know in one glance. And that I have, while Help:Cite errors is way too big and crowded. Debresser (talk) 22:42, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Error message in Citation/core

Please see Template_talk:Citation/core#The_problem for my proposal. If you agree, please put an {{editprotected}} (or do it yourself), because there is hardly any input here. Debresser (talk) 23:56, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Cref and Scref

Saw your comments in Template talk:Cref. This might interest you.[2] ChyranandChloe (talk) 23:35, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

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