User talk:Igor21

11M

Hola Igor. I understand your concerns. I am here to help. Just calm down and we'll do our best to sort this out. I've created User talk:FayssalF/11M. Saludos cordiales. -- Szvest 13:21, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on the contributor; personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks may lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. Randroide 18:15, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Please do not make personal attacks on other people. Wikipedia has a policy against personal attacks. In some cases, users who engage in personal attacks may be blocked from editing by administrators or banned by the arbitration committee. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. Please resolve disputes appropriately. Thank you. Randroide 16:39, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Madrid train bombings

I'm an administrator who learned about a dispute through WP:PAIN. Apparently collaboration on that article has gone more smoothly at the Spanish language edition than at the English language one. I'm not sure why - maybe sources are getting handled differently there or maybe it's just a bit harder to hit the right tone in one's second language.

A couple of things caught my attention. First, it's counterproductive to speculate about the mental health of other Wikipedia editors. Second, either a source satisfies Wikipedia:Reliable sources or it doesn't. If a source you don't like happens to meet that standard, then find other reliable sources to support your view. Third, if you don't think an article belongs in Wikipedia then you can nominate it at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion.

You've already received one block warning. This one's a second block warning - you seem to know enough about the subject to edit productively and I'd rather see the English Wikipedia benefit from your participation. Durova 03:04, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Igor21 writes unsourced libels, and provides false sources

Randroide 17:07, 10 November 2006 (UTC) Igor21 wrote in Talk:11 March 2004 Madrid train bombings:when PP and PSOE agree in doing dirty war against ETA terrorists in the 80's...There are many sources for this. The most easy to find is a front page article in magazine Epoca entitled "Comienza la guerra sucia" ("Dirty war starts"). There it explains a meeting between Gonzalez and Fraga in the country house of the latter. It says that shorly after Manglano, Casinello and Galindo have held some operational meetings and were destined to Basc Country. This article was published some weeks before the GAL started its actions. I do not have the exact date because I lost my archive in a change of house. (bolds added by me)

There´s a problem:

1. The Grupos Antiterroristas de Liberación started in 1983.

2. The first "Época" was published in 1985 [1].

So, you are still a libelist, Igor21.

• First: You accused, without sources, the spanish PP party of complicity with the PSOE (and its leader as AP Manuel Fraga) in the creation of the GAL death squad.
• Second: You provided me with a false source.

Do something about this issue, and the sooner the better, or I would be forced to request administrative intervention.

Remember that: "Unsourced or poorly sourced controversial (negative, positive, or just highly questionable) material about living persons should be removed immediately from Wikipedia articles, talk pages, and user pages"Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons.

I suggest you to ask an administrator about what to do if you have not a proper source for your (so far) libelious claim about Manuel Fraga.

11-M

Hi Igor,

There is no need for you to apologize to me, I just saw that the discussion on Friday was getting out of hand and that Randroide was almost certainly trying to use it as a means to get you banned. He acted a bit like a footballer who dives in the penalty area to try and get a penalty, he should have got a yellow card for it but at least he didn’t get the penalty he was looking for! I don’t think you should feel that you can’t participate as fully as any other user in the debate, you just have to avoid attempts to provoke you because you’ve been given a warning. In the end Wikipedia is about being patient, and looking for what may be imperfect solutions, but which at least allow some progress to be made. I don’t know whether an RFC will help the situation or not, but I suppose if we are not prepared to try it then we can’t make a proper judgement on its usefulness. I would appreciate any input you have on the possible points of dispute I posted on the discussion page yesterday – put your comments there if you have any and then we can try and move forward again.

Cheers, Southofwatford 15:48, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi Igor - yes, I think we go ahead with the RFC, I just need a bit of time to prepare an introduction and describe the issues. I will try and do something this evening when I am at home. Then Randroide can add his own description to each section before we submit for RFC - life is too short to look for a common wording agreed by everyone.

Cheers, Southofwatford 16:10, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Accusation against Igor21

Randroide 12:15, 27 November 2006 (UTC)I posted this accusation in Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard. I post the accusation here to provide a reference about the credibility of User:Igor21 when he writes slanderous remarks about me [2].

Talk:11 March 2004 Madrid train bombings

(Note: An spanish speaking administrator is a plus -not a must- for this issue)

One: User:Igor21 wrote: I forgott to speak about Anson and La Razon. Anson was involved in a attempt of military coup in the 80s.[3]

"Anson" is w:es:Luis María Anson, a famous living spaniard.

Igor21 provided no source whatsoever.

Two: User:Igor21 wrote: now that it is possible to demonstrate that Pedro J was favourishing the creation of the death squads[4]

"Pedro J" is Pedro J. Ramírez.

The "source" provided is an unrelated quote taken from interventions in a blog. [5].

I asked the user if he checked the unrelated quotation, he gave no answer.

Three: User:Igor21 wrote:So when PP and PSOE agree in doing dirty war against ETA terrorists in the 80's... [6]

I asked four thrice for a source for this bold affirmation. He gave me a rather vague source:

There are many sources for this. The most easy to find is a front page article in magazine Epoca entitled "Comienza la guerra sucia" ("Dirty war starts"). There it explains a meeting between Gonzalez and Fraga in the country house of the latter. It says that shorly after Manglano, Casinello and Galindo have held some operational meetings and were destined to Basc Country. This article was published some weeks before the GAL started its actions. I do not have the exact date because I lost my archive in a change of house. Anyway this is not the issue here. [7]

"Fraga" is Manuel Fraga, a famous living spanish politician.

The "source" given by Igor21 does not exist, due to two simple facts.

• 1. The Grupos Antiterroristas de Liberación criminal actions started in october 1983.

• 2. The first "Época" magazine was published in march 1985 [8].

After this gaffe, Igor21 wrote:

I have been trying to remember and my memory has bring me a surprising recall. I think that the source was Cambio 16 (the rest of the details are the same) that at this time was directed by Pedro J and was a fan of the dirty war as you can see in this link http://www.libertaddigital.com/bitacora/piomoa/comentarios.php?id=1518&num=3. [9]

Now "he thinks" it was the magazine Cambio 16. After this he wrote a text in spanish in my user page [10] where he writes further unsourced accusations against Fraga an Pedro J Ramírez. He also talks about the source he has not been able to provide as the "mysterious source".

I asked Igor21 for a formal statement about that "mysterious source", because I wanted to check his assertions in the library and I do not want to go there every time Igor21 has a surprising recall about the "mysterious source". He made no such statement.

Finally:

I gave the User the link to Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons and asked him for sources several times, with no success.

AFAIK this is libel against Manuel Fraga, w:es:Luis María Anson and Pedro J. Ramírez.

If someone is coming here from the talk page of 11-M bombing in Spain, he will know Randroide and do not need any comment. People arriving here from other places are encouraged to see what Randroide has done in the talk page. Regarding these ilustrious gentlemen who supposedly I have libeled, once we finish the editing of 11-M, we can discuss their past doings in their respective pages. The reason why I do not want to continue with this discussion now is because Randroide is trying to put his conspiracy theories about the bombings (the Spanish socialdemocrat party collaborates with a terrorist group ETA in killing near 200 hundred innocents and now all the newspapers of the world are trying to hide the truth) and I have no time to do so many things at the same time. If you are an admin and you have a free hour, please take a look to the 11-M talk page and tell us (meaning me and the rest of editors who are not Randroide) if there is any practical solution for the article different from abandoning it to the conspirationist theories of Randroide. I came here because when we manage to more or less control the problem in Spanish wikipedia, we noticed that Randroide was coming to English wikipedia to spread the conspirationist theories. Since then, I am trying with a couple of editors to find way to do something correct with the article in the same line as what has been done with 9/11. To know who is Randroide and what is doing here you can check http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Gimferrer&diff=prev&oldid=62766662 . I want to formally apologize to the editors of this wikipedia for what my compatriot is doing here. I tried to warn the first day in the cafe but nobody heared me.--Igor21 16:25, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

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Randroide 16:28, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Igor21 wrote: Randroide is trying to put his conspiracy theories about the bombings (the Spanish socialdemocrat party collaborates with a terrorist group ETA in killing near 200 hundred innocents and now all the newspapers of the world are trying to hide the truth)

Where is my edit doing that, Igor21?, i.e., where is my edit saying that "the Spanish socialdemocrat party collaborates with a terrorist group ETA...".

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You do not do edits Randroide, you do OCEANS and the full life of Cousteau would be needed to do a full compilation of your sayings. Regarding the particular thing you are asking, this is the stance of the people you are defending as it has been explained to you in the talk page of 11-M (and BTW as you knew from the begining). I know how you love collateral discussions to evade the main so I am not going to engage here. Please come back to 11-M talk page and try to organize an RFC to subustitute the one Southofwatford was organizing and you destroyed.--Igor21 16:47, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

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Randroide 17:19, 27 November 2006 (UTC) I am sorry for the (I know) hard work I am asking you, Igor21.

Please, stop defaming me and I will stop to ask you for (nonexistent) sources for your defamations.

I just made what you are asking for. Please see Talk:11_March_2004_Madrid_train_bombings#RfC_.22distilled.22_section.

Good move Randroide. When doing the kind of things you normally do, it is important to know when to stop. So let's see if the rest of the editors accept your apologies and we can move forward.--Igor21 19:11, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Please observe WP:AGF

You posted this earlier today, which included the following He is not the polite person he simulates to be. He is a fanatic of conspirationist theories as he has proofed doing what he has done.

I'm posting a note about that because it clearly violates WP:AGF, and because it is not consistent with WP:NPA. Regardless of what motivates another editor, is in not appropriate to discuss that. Please limit your comments to content (as opposed to personality). If you want to discuss the behavior of another editor, do so on a user talk page, not on an article talk page (see Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines.

I'm not disagreeing with your views of the other editor, by the way - I don't have any information on that, one way or another. I'm simply asking that you not post comments that can easily lead to ongoing arguments about other editors. These arguments are not constructive - they do not lead to better articles. John Broughton | Talk 14:00, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your quick and courteous response on my talk page. Editing Wikipedia is a learning process; please just consider the above to be advice. One more suggestion, then (and you don't need to reply) - instead of warning another editor about someone, just post a note saying something like I noticed that X has asked you to help out on this article. I hope you have the time to contribute - another person is always welcome. That way, you've shown that you're a reasonable person who trusts other editors to do the right thing. And the right thing is to let them figure out, themselves, which editors have a very serious agenda and whose edits must be looked at very carefully for bias. John Broughton | Talk 16:23, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Blanking

It might not have been your intention, but your recent edit removed content from an article. Please be careful not to remove content from Wikipedia without a valid reason, which you should specify in the edit summary or on the article's talk page. Take a look at our welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. [11] Randroide 16:09, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Your edit summary for your edit was Cleaning the introduction from distorted facts that lead to intentional misunderstanding so loved by conspirationist. That's really not enough of an explanation for deleting text that included at least three citations.

When you want to delete information with sources, it's considered absolutely necessary to explain on the talk page - that the sources don't meet WP:RS, or that what the article said the sources said is incorrect, or that the content (although supported) isn't relevant. (You seem to be arguing the third, which is the most difficult argument to make, because subjectivity is involved.) And it's considered extremely good form if you post the text you propose to delete on the talk page, before you delete it, and explain your reasons, so others can respond before the text is removed.

In any case, please avoid an edit war by following the one-revert rule and not deleting the content again without a lot of discussion. Thanks. John Broughton | Talk 22:49, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Dealing with what you consider to be a bad source of information

You said Their ONLY source is a newspaper that is known for having lied, bribed witnesses and even fabricated a plot, so its credibilty between informed people -at least regarding this issue- is ZERO. If this is the case, then I strongly recommend adding some text to the article that says (placed immediately in the article following where that newspaper has been quoted), something like "However, this information, from Newspaper X, is disputed; Newspaper X has been accused of lying, bribing witnesses, and fabricating a plot." Then cite your references that say that Newspaper X is untrustworthy.

This assumes, of course, that your references meet WP:RS. Then, just as you weren't able (by the rules) to remove the sourced info you thought was false, the other editors shouldn't remove the info you've posted (again, if supported by reliable sources). That leaves both sides of the argument in the article, and the reader must decide which side to believe. That's probably the best that can be done whenever two sides strongly disagree (assuming both have sourced information). John Broughton | ♫ 16:07, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

RfA

Please consider to help us to push for an RFA that forces Randroide to accept that are two narratives (basically El Mundo and the rest) and both are legitimate but blended are imposible to read so the first article would be free of El Mundo quotes while the second can have as much El MUndo as Randroide wants. Then the reader can choose

What's the procedure for a RfA? Obviously some kind of mediation is needed. However, I disagree with the proposal about having two articles with different POV's, as I explained at the articles' talk page. And El Mundo might be wrong (and that can be said without a problem at the article, with many references that contradict its version), but it is valid as a source. Trying to fight to make it unusable as a source is, quite frankly, a lost battle in my opinion. What do you think about my proposal of having some info of the topic on the main article, and then perhaps have a subarticle focusing on El Mundo's theory, with _all_ references included to make it NPOV? Cheers! :) Raystorm 21:50, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Please, correct this line: Third time I ask you

You wrote:

The authors were local islamic extremists with possible links with Al-Qaeda [12]

Thank you very much for the addition of that relevant RAND source... BUT the source says nothing about possible links with Al-Qaeda.

It is the third time [13][14] I ask you to correct that error. Please, do it.

You only have to delete the line possible links with Al-Qaeda, or find an alternative source stating that an "al-Qaida link" (note minor case "a") existed Randroide 09:12, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

You finally provided the source [15]. Thank you very much. Randroide 20:24, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

This is personal attack and libel, Igor21

To Akronpow : Randroide is a fanatic conspirationis who heavily modified the article during Christmas after having agreed to ask for a mediation. Because of the lack of precision in the definition of what is a source for wikipedia, now we are in dificulties for removing all the garbage he introduced in the article. His tactic now is to let time goes by to petrify his ilegal modifications. (e.g. the bizarre structure of the first paragraph is caused by the fact that Randroide adds his absurd statements about non-muslims because he wants to show that the Socialdemocrat party helped by the Spanish police did the bombings). Wording and good grammar are extremely important but also to remove intentionally misleading comments is important. In this regard I am trying to convince other editors that the croocked and politically biased local Spanish newspaper El Mundo cannot be a source but Randroide is far more shrewd than the other editors so he is currently having his way with the article. Nowadays the trial for the bombings is about to start in Spain so probably the whole text will be changed when the conspirationist non-sense is ruled out by the judge decisions in the Fall. You can do what you want but I thought it will be good that you know the context since probably Randroide is going to use you -as has used other people before- to stop Southofwatford from reverting the destruction he caused during Christmas.-

[16]

I suggest you the reading of:

• WP:NPA, for the attacks against me.
• WP:LIBEL, for the attack against El Mundo (Spain).

Plase stop writing this kind of posts. Thank you. Randroide 10:42, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

In this regard I am trying to convince other editors that the croocked and politically biased local Spanish newspaper El Mundo cannot be a source

We've had this discussion before (see above). If you have reliable sources that attack the credibility of this newspaper, it's acceptable in the article to say something like "El Mundo reported ... ", followed by "But newspaper X (or other reliable source Y) contends that El Mundo has misreported this similar stories".

In other words, if a source is generally considered reliable (as is El Mundo, I believe), then please do not waste your time and the time of other editors arguing that it is not, or is not for a particular area of news coverage. Rather, you need to convince them that the source that is criticizing that newspaper is itself reliable enough to merit being cited in the article as a counter to what El Mundo is saying. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 14:56, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

You wrote it is posible to show that El Mundo in this and many other issues is not a reliable source because his editor and owner has an agenda of philias and phobias and is posible to show that he has pursuit this agenda beyond truth many times. I understand that U.S. papers aren't likely to say anything about El Mundo, but presumably you have some reliable source, foreign language or other, that attacks the crediblity of this newspaper? Anyway, I'm just someone watching this, not really involved, so please consider this just a suggestion, and I wish you the best. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 20:39, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

You wrote...

...The problem is that Randroide says that the primary sources (police, judges, world intelligence services) are part of the conspiration to hide the truth. [17]

AFAIK I never wrote that.

Please provide the (IMHO, nonexistent) diff of me writing that, or strike your claim.

Sorry for the inconvenience, Igor21, but I am fed up with being called "conspirationist".Randroide 10:30, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Randroide : If you want to join the ranks of truth and stop defending conspirationist theories you will be welcome since you are a very clever person with a an extraordinary capacity for working hard. We can make together a very good article were readers of wikipedia can be informed about what happened in Madrid and how the tactics of Islamist Terrorism evolved after the fall of Afghanistan and after they saw how powerful is NSA in reading comunications. However, if this is only a joke, I am sorry to say that I am not in the mood. Please check your own historial of diffs and tell me if you honestly can say that is not the historial of a full time conspirationist fighting the official version.--Igor21 12:26, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your compliments, Igor21. No, it was not a joke, and I can say honestly that I defended no "conspiracy theory". Doubters of the Indictment (I am on of them) are very fastidious about this point: We defend no alternative theory about what happened, we "only" point to the inconsistencies we perceive in the most common explanation.

The MIPT source you provided shows that you can be a good contributor to the article. I suggest you to focus in adding new sourced facts, not in deleting pieces of information you believe are incorrect (or even malicious).

Sincerely yours: Randroide 13:19, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Arbitration request - Madrid Train Bombings

This message is to let you know that I have posted a request for arbitration on the dispute concerning this page. [[18]] —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Southofwatford (talk • contribs) 20:17, 27 February 2007 (UTC).

on the RfA concerning M11

Hi again, Igor21,

I just want to point out to you that currently, the arbitration committee has NOT decided to take the case, and it is looking less sure that they will. What is needed right now is solid evidence that RfC was attempted, not more argumentation. Furthermore, it needs to be shown why the disagreements in this case are not clearly addressed by WP:WEIGHT and WP:A. (Since these policies have undergone recent major revision, you might want to take a look at them again.)

And let me ask you this: would you be satisfied with *one* article that balanced *both* sets of sources (El Mundo vs everyone else)? Because if not, I think you need to make that clear what you are saying -- you are not just arguing that El Mundo is given undue weight, but that it's given *any* weight at all.
--Otheus 18:26, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

One more thing — Do you agree with everything put out by the RAND corporation? I certainly don't. --Otheus 18:26, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

You removed 10 sources in one single edit

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This edit of yours, of course, has been reverted. Randroide 11:16, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

This sources had been carefully cherrypicked to completely mislead the reader into thinking that Spanish police was the author of 11 March Madrid bombing. Randroide defends a bizarre conspirationist theory and he is an artist of mixing reality and fantasy to give false impresions--Igor21 18:59, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Please read WP:NPARandroide 20:14, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

You added an unsourced controversial line

Welcome to Wikipedia. We invite everyone to contribute constructively to our encyclopedia. However, adding content without citing a reliable source is not consistent with our policy on attribution and verifiability. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you.[20]Randroide 20:13, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Pilar Manjon is the mother of one of the victims. His son was a teenager. She has been fighting conspirationists and they have attacked her in all ways including shouting her on streer "put your dead son up your ass". Randroide is libeling her in this page he links. I corrected but he changed again and now accuses me of not sourcing my correction. The attacks to this woman make me vomit and Randroide cynism is so abismal that makes me sick. So I will not answer Randroide in this issue until I recover my balance. Sorry about that. --Igor21 11:45, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

1. You provided not a single source nor a diff for your (IMHO) outlandish affirmations.

2. It would be really, really great if you take a look at WP:NPA.

I hope you´ll recover you "balance" soon. Have a nice day, Igor21. Randroide 11:56, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

I perfectly know WP:NPA, thanks. The problem is that you are continously doing things that to be properly described required to say bad words to you. E.g. when you libel a mother whose son was killed by including a "source" that you know is false and libelous. I am becoming like the people who work in sewers so I can more and more keep balance in the presence of the most disgusting and nauseating products of human being. Sometimes you brake the threshold as in this particular case. Even in the Internet there should be a limit for your unhuman behaviour but I am nobody to set it so if nobody tells you anything, just carry on with your obsesion. You are a limit case for wikipedia rules since you brake them continuously without nobody noticing. --Igor21 12:21, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

I libeled no one, man. I just added sourced information: These guys said this and that.

Unhuman behaviour, the most disgusting and nauseating products of human being, uh. It was better when you called me "Filibuster".

Look, Igor 21: If you do not stop your tirades against me, one of these days I am going to denounce ALL your personal attacks against me, the whole list from summer 2006. Please stop. Randroide 12:51, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

You have been inserting your collection of links about me every time you have had occasion. And BTW, you are doing sheep mode in the page of 11-M and bullying mode here? are you getting confused or is a new tactic of double mode?--Igor21 13:06, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Blanking

Please stop. If you continue to blank out (or delete portions of) page content, templates or other materials from Wikipedia, you will be blocked from editing. [21] Randroide 07:55, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

This is your last warning. The next time you delete or blank page contents or templates from Wikipedia, you will be blocked from editing. [22] Randroide 17:20, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Randroide: YOU ARE NOBODY TO WARN ME ABOUT ANYTHING. DESTROY THE WHOLE WIKIPEDIA WITH YOUR CONSPIRATIONIST GARBAGE IF ADMINS LET YOU BUT DO NOT SIMULATE TO BE AN HONOURABLE PERSON BECAUSE IT MAKE ME LAUGH.--Igor21 17:34, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Please note the deleted source in both edits: Bomb squad link in Spanish blast.Randroide 17:35, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Everybody in Spain knows that this article is outdated and the mistery was solved years ago. Randroide perfectly knows but is hoping that everybody is idiot. Is up to people here to let him continue with this or not.--Igor21 18:20, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Train bombings

Thanks for your comment. What about that NY Times article? It would really be helpful to see other sources contradicting it. Since you guys know these articles by heart, it would be really helpful for outside editors to see the sources for and against. It will be helpful to do this also if agreement cannot be reached and you have to go to arbitration.--Mantanmoreland 17:05, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Igor, one thing you may want to do is to bring the train bombings article to the attention of editors you respect who may want to pitch in. I've tried to do a bit of that. There is nothing wrong with doing so as long as it is not "canvassing" for a particular POV. I would like to see more eyeballs on the article. I'd suggest looking through articles on related subjects. My problem is that I have not been following this event more than casually, and the constant heat in the talk pages makes following the factual issues very tiresome.--Mantanmoreland 16:08, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Using Talk page as a forum

Welcome to Wikipedia! I am glad to see you are interested in discussing a topic. However, as a general rule, talk pages are for discussion related to improving the article, not general discussion about the topic. Please refrain from doing this in the future. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you! [23] Randroide 11:53, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

As everybody with eyes in the face can see[24], my comment was to improve the article by creating a correct structure. I cannot understand why Randroide is saying these things to me. Sometimes I suspect that his continious contact with conspirationist theories is somehow afecting his capability of reasoning straith forward. --Igor21 12:06, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Personal attack

Welcome to Wikipedia. We invite everyone to contribute constructively to our encyclopedia. However, we remind you not to attack other editors. Please comment on the contributions and not the contributors. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. [25] Randroide 12:10, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Randroide : "we" must be used when the subjects are many. When you speak for yourself, you must use "I" (except if you are the Pope or the Queen of England which I hope you do not think to be). --Igor21 12:37, 4 April 2007 (UTC) I am paying one Euro per 30 minutes for this connection but I will pay dearly if you amuse yourself with ths games.

Blanking

Welcome to Wikipedia. It might not have been your intention, but your recent contribution removed content from an article. Please be more careful when editing articles and do not remove content from Wikipedia without a good reason, which should be specified in the edit summary. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. If you would like to experiment again, please use the sandbox. Thank you.[26] Randroide 13:16, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Please do not delete content from articles on Wikipedia. Your edits appear to be vandalism and have been reverted. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. [27] Randroide 14:54, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

For more information about user Randroide's misuse of wikipedia templates please refer to one of his masterpieces here or see this very page above. If you know any admin, please let him/her know about this user and his extravaganzas because it is quite annoying to be insulted and to see your edits called vandalism by someone who is here to destroy articles by pushing his political agenda.--Igor21 15:39, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Please stop. If you continue to blank out (or delete portions of) page content, templates or other materials from Wikipedia, you will be blocked from editing. [28] Randroide 12:51, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

This is your last warning. The next time you delete or blank page contents or templates from Wikipedia, you will be blocked from editing. [29] Randroide 13:39, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Randroide : This is your second "last warning". Will it be your last "last warning" because finally an admin will catch you in-fraganti? or will you be able of continue your lawless campaign of harrassament of all inocent editors who oppose your wikipedia rules no-ending violations?

For more information about user Randroide's reiterative and continuous misuse of wikipedia templates to threaten people who tries to edit peacefully (amongst many other misdoings which deserve half dozen of blocks), please refer to one of his masterpieces here or see this very page above. If someone who read this knows an admin, please let him/her know urgently about this rogue user Randroide and his agressions because it is quite annoying to be insulted and to see your edits called vandalism by someone who is here to destroy articles by pushing his political agenda.--Igor21 15:39, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Next blanking you do will get you listed at Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism, including a link to the (non-exhaustive) report about the behavior of User:Igor21: User_talk:Randroide/IgSo#Igor21. Randroide 14:02, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Randroide : Please stop making a fool of yourself with these ridiculous warnings and threats.--Igor21 14:56, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

New deletion [30]. Reported at Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism Randroide 18:17, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Igor21's edits do not appear to be a clear case of vandalism. Please do not use the WP:AIV process to attempt to settle content disputes. Krimpet (talk) 18:31, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Please explain me this edit of yours

[31]

...you shifted my response to you to a totally, unconnected, new section.

...it has to be a good explanation. Randroide 16:53, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

If you want to participate in the RFC you must use the standard format. Reserve your HTML acrobacies for another moment. --Igor21 17:31, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Changed RfC wording

Per Durova´s indication [32], I changed the RfC wording (yours was not neutral). Randroide 09:02, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations Randroide. You have found again Durova off-guard. Enjoy while it lasts because when Durova finds out what you do with her/him, she/he will be really upset.--Igor21 09:52, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Sorry having to contradict you, Igor21, but I have the conviction that Durova knows very well what is he/she doing. Randroide 11:48, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Then you will be bloked by the afternoon. Let's see.--Igor21 13:01, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

You were right. She will do nothing. Congratulations for your mastery in cheating wikipedia admins. --Igor21 16:30, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Rfc wording, again

Could you please understand, Igor21, that this is NOT a neutral statement [33]. Please keep your arguments for your statement.

I changed it again [34], even dropping the "sourced" qualifier, just to trim the statement to neutral barebones. Any suggestion?. Randroide 07:19, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Unsourced statement

Welcome to Wikipedia. We invite everyone to contribute constructively to our encyclopedia. However, adding content without citing a reliable source is not consistent with our policy of verifiability. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. [35] Randroide 18:25, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Un saludo hombre

Que tal Igor? Estoy empezando a editar en la wikipedia inglesa por mi bloqueo permanente, oye! francamente mucho mejor que en la española eh, se discuten las cosas y la gente parece bastante más razonable (almenos por ahora! cruzo los dedos!). Me alegra saber que también andas por aquí. Un saludo.--Jorditxei 22:01, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Oye madre mía el Randroide!! Jaja! Le echaré una ojeadita a ese artículo próximamente y ya sabes cómo soy con estas cosillas ;-) Ciao.--Jorditxei 22:12, 11 July 2007 (UTC) PD: Es que cuando hay alguien empeñado en mostrar un PdV no neutral, no sé porqué pero no lo tolero

Thank you for your support and advice Igor. I am glad that no problems are left with the 11M article. I am truly respecting all policies and to be sincere I have learned a good deal from editing in the spanish wikipedia. I have also noticed that debate is based on sources, which I think is the most important thing for the debate to be constructive. Thank you for your support on my blocking. I also think it was not justified but in any case we will see what the CRC decides. What annoys me most is that I have been unable to continue with the debate on the 3 articles blocked... See you around.--Jorditxei 12:49, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Al-Durrah

Hi Igor, thanks for your note. The problem is that the Rose article is self-published on a personal website maintained by the author, and the author has no relevant academic or professional background. He also doesn't seem to have done any particular research into the case, but is just offering an opinion. For all these reasons, it would be difficult to justify his use. SlimVirgin ^{(talk)(contribs)} 20:14, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Which photo did you have in mind, Igor? SlimVirgin ^{(talk)(contribs)} 20:36, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

I agree that the diagram would be very helpful, if accurate. I've been looking around for a good diagram that we could request a release for, because we can't claim fair use for these things. However, the source of this article is not an appropriate source for the reason already explained, which means if he created the diagram, we can't use it for the same reason. I suspect he didn't create it but copied it from another website, which means he's not in a position to release it. If you can find a good diagram from a reliable news organization, perhaps we could write to them and ask if they're willing to release it, so long as they're credited. If you like this particular diagram, could you e-mail Adam Rose and ask him where he got it from? Then we could contact that publication, assuming it's an appropriate one. SlimVirgin ^{(talk)(contribs)} 22:35, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Muhammad al-Dura - NPA

Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks will lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you.

your commentary that "If there is the slightliest posibility of saying that the kid is alive and was killed by his father, Jackaboo will not hesitate. So with the help of profesional spin doctors..."^[36] was a breach of WP:CIV and WP:NPA. Jaakobou^{Chalk Talk} 09:39, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

I have apologized in Jackaboo page for my comments while stating that I disagree with the current structure of the article, too focused on media coverage, private investigations and minority points of view instead of being focused on the bare facts as mainstream sources reflect them.--Igor21 18:23, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

if i'm not mistaken, you echoed your belief in the truthfulness of the accusation;^[37] try not to repeat it. Jaakobou^{Chalk Talk} 22:17, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Far be it from me to undermine the important business of giving warnings, but there's something you should know about your accuser, and some of it can be found here. PR^talk 06:47, 11 October 2007 (UTC)