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This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on June 13, 2024.

Talk:COVID-19/Current consensus

• Talk:COVID-19/Current consensus → Talk:COVID-19  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not a useful redirect Wow (talk) 23:38, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

• Keep - Useful page history. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 23:43, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
• Keep per Rhododendrites. Thryduulf (talk) 10:22, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
• Comment: Until very recently the page looked like this, but I redirected it to preserve history (not sure if WP:MFD is better, but the ones sent there were never used IIRC), and then Wow sent it here. I redirected it because (1) it has not been transcluded at Talk:COVID-19 for quite some time (not sure when it was removed), and (2) all three points are clearly outdated. Point 1 mandates using text that is not used anymore, including the long-disproven claim that COVID-19 is not airborne. Point 2 is about not using the "current" template; this is obviously pointless now. Point 3 refers to a gif that appears nowhere in the present version of the article; it was clearly superseded at some point. All 3 points are from March and April 2020, hence over four years old. Crossroads ^-talk- 17:23, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
• If a redirect is unwanted, how about just slapping a {{historical}} template on the page and call it a day? -- Tavix ^(talk) 21:20, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
  • Yeah, restore and mark historical was my vote, but then the edit got lost with a real life interruption. Steel1943 (talk) 23:18, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Kazakh Guide Association

• Kazakh Guide Association → Scouting and Guiding in Kazakhstan  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Bear with me. This was originally an article by the now-blocked editor User:Kintetsubuffalo, which was deleted at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kazakh Guide Association. After deletion it became a redirect to Scouting and Guiding in Kazakhstan, pretty much a disambiguation page with only one blue link, to Organization of the Scout Movement of Kazakhstan. That Scouting and Guiding in Kazakhstan would be a redirect to the Organization article is fair--but the rest of that content is just not of encyclopedic value, and the "Guide Association" material has only this as sourcing, a primary Girl Scout document which doesn't even mention the association. So I have turned Scouting and Guiding into a redirect (in three steps, explaining why), but this is not a valid search term/redirect. The very existence of the term is already questionable: Google offers nothing but things derived from Wikipedia. Drmies (talk) 22:07, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Delete this as per WP:REDLINK and WP:2R. Scouting and Guiding in Kazakhstan being pruned down to a redirect is valid; Kazakh Guide Association then becoming a redirect to Organization of the Scout Movement of Kazakhstan isn't, given they're presumably two different organizations. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 22:46, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Matriotism

• British matriotism → Patriotism  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Matriotism → Cindy Sheehan  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

"Matriotism" not mentioned in target, let alone the British flavour. Matriotism itself redirects to Cindy Sheehan, where it is also not mentioned. This article claims she "founded a movement" called matriotism, but redirecting to her (American) article would not be appropriate for this redirect in any case.

Possibly Matriotism should be retargeted to Frances Payne Adler, the coiner of the term, and then British matriotism retargeted there as well? But that's a bit of a stretch. Overall, in favor of deletion of this redirect (and retargeting Matriotism). Rusalkii (talk) 20:09, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

@Rusalkii: I have taken the liberty of adding Matriotism to this nomination. — Godsy ^(TALK_CONT) 21:20, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

• Comment - Adler's claim is dubious at best. See this 1894 publication. Perhaps wikt:matriotism (uncapitalized) is the way to go (for 'matriotism'), as it also lists 1894 as the origin. Matriot does not exist. — Godsy ^(TALK_CONT) 21:08, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
• Delete British matriotism as we have no good target. Crosswiki Matriotism to wiktionary, which was a very interesting read actually; the diverse cited meanings and dates for those citations kinda tell a story in and of themselves! Fieari (talk) 23:28, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

• @Fieari: I prefer wikt:matriotism to wikt:Matriotism; I missed the former on my first look (good catch!). — Godsy ^(TALK_CONT) 23:34, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

  Agreed, the lower case one is better. Fieari (talk) 01:04, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Peanut butter burger

• Peanut butter burger → Peanut butter, banana and bacon sandwich  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

I cannot find any references referring to the target as such. However, on third party search engines, I did find recipes for burger sandwiches containing peanut butter and a ground beef patty, which is not what the target article is about. Steel1943 (talk) 20:00, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Not sure what you mean. It's the Elvis sandwich. The article is about that. They sold peanut butter burgers at Sonic Drive-In for a while there. It was just a variant of the Elvis sandwich. Here is where the article discusses peanut butter burgers. Noah Tall (talk) 05:34, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

I don't know about you but around here peanut butter burgers have nothing to do with Elvis. It's your standard burger, but you replace the sauce/mayonaise/condiments with peanut butter. E.g. [1] "PEANUT BUTTER BURGER: Fresh beef patty, peanut butter (on both buns), lettuce, tomato, onions, pickles, cheddar cheese, and bacon."

Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 21:34, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Fourth mode of transport

• Fourth mode of transport → Mode of transport  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No mention of modes of transport being numbered on the target page. the phrase "fourth mode of transport" doesn't appear to have a common specific referent, though there do seem to be four common modes of transport generally talked about. google gives lots of quizzes about "what are the four modes of transport", but they don't seem to have any particular canonical order. "Fourth mode of transport" has only 3 hits, all of which talk about adding a fourth mode to some existing network. Rusalkii (talk) 20:00, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

• Delete as vague. I'm getting GSearch hits ranging from the hyperloop and mobility as a service to walking as the fourth mode of transport. --Lenticel ^(talk) 00:42, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Intruder alert

• Intruder alert → Trespasser  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Well, giving this some thought, I do not think this is correct. The phrase is not mentioned in the target article, and most likely readers searching this term are intending to either find some topic related to Alarm or a quote from some media ... which the latter can be difficult to pinpoint since there is apparently a lot of media that reference an "intruder alert" either in context or a quote. Steel1943 (talk) 19:56, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

insert berzerk joke here per the discussion three entries below this one. also delete as too widespread for a primary topic but too unremarkable on its own for a disambig cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 20:12, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Delete as per nom. Worth noting that Intruder is a DAB page, and probably wouldn't be a good target for this redirect. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 21:09, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Ruby and Sapphire

• Ruby and Sapphire → Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Ruby / Sapphire → Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Ruby and sapphire → Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

it pains me to say this, but the pokémon games don't seem to be the primary topic for mentions of those two specific minerals together. torn on retargeting to garnet (steven universe) as she's a fusion of the characters known as ruby and sapphire, to the list of steven universe characters as it includes ruby and sapphire, or just deleting, but will lean towards retargeting to the list cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 19:53, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

• Weak keep Ruby and Sapphire as marginally the primary tropic for that capitalization (over the Steven character{s}). Retarget Ruby and sapphire to Corundum as the primary topic for that capitalization. Delete Ruby / Sapphire due to ill-formatting and ambiguity. Hatnote as appropriate. — Godsy ^(TALK_CONT) 20:37, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
• Delete Ruby / Sapphire and Retarget Ruby and sapphire as per Godsy; his argument as per Ruby / Sapphire being ambiguous and poorly formatted is sound, and the lowercase "sapphire" means that it shouldn't be taken to be a proper name. Keep with hatnote Ruby and Sapphire; while Garnet is and remains my favorite ship (and ship name) in all of media, I find the idea that she's Primary here (over the best-selling GBA title) to be a case of WP:RECENTISM. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 21:19, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
• Disambiguate Ruby and Sapphire as there are multiple possible meanings. Retarget Ruby and sapphire to the disambiguation and delete the third one as oddly formatted. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 22:43, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

2024 Dublin Bay North by-election

• 2024 Dublin Bay North by-election → Dublin Bay North (Dáil constituency)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Under WP:TOOSOON and WP:CRYSTALBALL. As Spleodrach said, this by-election may never happen. Until it does, we don't need a page for this, or for the other vacancies which may be confirmed by this evening. Iveagh Gardens (talk) 19:53, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Intruder Alert! Intruder Alert!

• Intruder Alert! Intruder Alert! → Berzerk (video game)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

"intruder alert" currently redirects to trespasser. don't think this line is or can feasibly be primarily associated with berzerk quite like... all the other lines. google's results are confusing, but mostly seem to point to assorted movie lines and an achievement in a lego batman game. a little torn on voting for retargeting or deletion, but will lean towards retargeting cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 19:31, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

• Delete. A quote used in several media sources that would be improper to redirect to Trespasser since it's probably most famous as a quote. (Hmm ... I wonder if this quote is on Wikiquote ... haven't checked yet, not sure if I will.) Steel1943 (talk) 19:42, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

  ...Okay, so I searched Wikiquote, and this phrase appears in several places. Yeah, best to delete as vague. Steel1943 (talk) 19:44, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

  how confusing would it be if all those instances coincidentally happened to be references to berzerk? cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 19:46, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

  I was thinking the same thing ... but then I would assume that the phrase was a notable topic, which means WP:REDYES would apply. I mean, our princess is in another castle! Steel1943 (talk) 19:48, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Technical music

• Technical music → Progressive music  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned in the target article. The target article mentions used of technology, but the use of the word "technical" is not exclusive to technology. In addition, if the word "technical" is meant to refer to technology, then arguably the most technological-heavy music genre is Electronic music. Probably best to delete this vague redirect. Steel1943 (talk) 18:50, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

delete as vague, as this could refer to techno, electronic music, literally any song more complex in structure or production than a nursery rhyme, and jazz cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 19:35, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Bienver metal

• Bienver metal → Heavy metal music  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Bienver Metal → Heavy metal music  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned in the target article, leaving it unclear what these redirects are meant to refer. Third party search engines do not seem to know what this means either ... given the top results I receive when looking up this phrase relate to Justin Bieber. Steel1943 (talk) 18:06, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Delete per OP — Czello ^(music) 18:07, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Delete per nonsensical topic. Thanks,Neuropol^Talk 18:09, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Telling google I really do mean "Bienver metal" when I put it in quotes finds only this redirect and derivatives. Thryduulf (talk) 19:49, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
• Delete - I can confirm the above. I also checked out what "Bienver" on its own went to, and it seems this is a common name in some part of the world. My bet is that someone with this name, or a fan of someone with this name, wanted wikipedia to say that their name was synonymous with heavy metal. Fieari (talk) 00:59, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Under the influence of alcohol

• Under the influence of alcohol → Alcohol intoxication  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Unlikely search query Mondtaler (talk) 17:17, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

• Keep Redirects are cheap, and this is unambiguous. Also, it doesn't seem like an unlikely search term IMO. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 17:38, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
• Retarget to Under the influence. It got 15 views last year, not sure whether that is low or high but at least it is not zero. The name seems based on shortening driving under the influence of alcohol, so under the influence is a better target. Mathnerd314159 (talk) 17:37, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
• Retarget to Under the influence (a dab page) per Mathnerd314159. Someone using this is equally likely to be looking for Alcohol intoxication or Driving under the influence, both of which are listed there. Thryduulf (talk) 17:59, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
• Retarget to DAB page as per Mathnerd and Thryduulf, while also tagging as Incomplete Disambiguation. I will admit, I was about to recommend that the redirect be kept as per Presidentman before I saw Thryduulf note that Under the influence was a DAB page. That said, even if you take "...of alcohol" as a disambiguator, that still leaves Alcohol intoxication and Driving under the influence as potential hits, both of which are near the top of the DAB page. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 20:21, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
• Comment - I normally like DABs as redirect targets, but this one has so many entries for unrelated albums and intoxication by means other than alcohol that I feel being targeted here might cause WP:SURPRISE. The trouble is that this really does have two potential targets: Alcohol intoxication or Driving under the influence, both of which are located at that DAB amidst everything else... but again, I'm worried that the weight of the "everything else" could cause confusion. Does anyone else think a mini-DAB with just those two links would be okay, or am I impugning the intelligence of potential wikipedia users by thinking they'd get confused here? Fieari (talk) 23:47, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

  I mean, the thing is, both of the potential targets here are at the very top of the Under the influence DAB, separated by exactly one non-alcohol result (Altered state of consciousness, and even that DOES have information pertaining to alcohol-- after all, ethanol itself IS a drug). Add on the fact that I'm fairly certain most of the music/media links are using "Under the Influence" as a shorthand for "Under the Influence of Alcohol", and I'd say that it shouldn't cause too much confusion or surprise. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 10:48, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

  I agree with your reasoning in opposing simply retargeting, but I still feel this term is unambiguous enough to warrant keeping as BugGhost elaborates on below. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 22:20, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

• Keep - if a user searches "Under the influence of alcohol", its extremely likely they want Alcohol intoxication. There's no implication they're searching for anything related to driving (you can do anything "under the influence of alcohol") and the inclusion of "of alcohol" in the term means they weren't searching for drug-based intoxication, or any of the various topics that are simply called "Under the influence" listed on the Under the influence disambig page. BugGhost🪲👻 07:50, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris ^talk! 17:19, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Electric Turbo

• Electric Turbo → Porsche Taycan  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

The Porsche Taycan 'Turbo' models don't actually have a turbocharger, it's just a namesake for a higher-performance model of a car. In that sense, it's kinda misleading. I did a google search, and 'electric turbo' doesn't seem to be a common nickname for the Taycan Turbo models either. Now, looking at retarget options, there does exist electric supercharger (I know technically there's no such thing as an "electric turbo" but that's what {{R from incorrect name}} is for), but having a look at that article, there also exists electrically-assisted turbocharger, so I'm not sure where to retarget it to. — AP 499D25 (talk) 06:27, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

• Disambig between electrically-assisted turbocharger and electric supercharger. The term seems to be used for both. Thryduulf (talk) 09:25, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
• Retarget to electrically assisted turbocharger - most logical destination for someone searching the term. --Sable232 (talk) 14:44, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Retarget or disambiguate?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris ^talk! 17:18, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

• Disambiguate the term can also refer to electric-motor-assist power boost (ie. hybrid vehicle with electric assist drive mode, to add power to the gasoline engine's power output) as "turbo" can just refer to a power boost. -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 07:55, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Szökés

• Szökés → Prison Break  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Szoekes → Prison Break  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Szokes → Prison Break  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

For some reason, the Hungarian name of a TV show was redirected there in 2007, without explanation. It's obviously unused, nor are other language names for the same TV show redirected, and there is practically no reader traffic. Diacriticless variants were created next year by bots as well. Joy (talk) 17:00, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Conjunctival pallor

• Conjunctival pallor → Anemia  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

while this is a key symptom of anemia, this redirect does not lead to the actual topic, rather a cause of the symptom Thanks,Neuropol^Talk 13:08, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Weak delete Is there another disease that causes conjunctival pallor? –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 14:03, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

It's only really observed in anemia, but this is because it is mostly looked for when diagnosing anemia. Thanks,Neuropol^Talk 14:24, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Anaemia isn't a disease, it's a symptom of many diseases. I am not aware of any condition that causes it aside from anaemia but I still see it as a bad redirect. Traumnovelle (talk) 22:28, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Anagrams as establishment of priority

• Aaaaaaacccccdeeeeeghiiiiiiillllmmnnnnnnnnnooooppqrrstttttuuuuu → Anagram#Establishment of priority  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Smaismrmilmepoetaleumibunenugttauiras → Anagram#Establishment of priority  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Ceiiinosssttuv → Hooke's law  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Scientists of the early modern period often encoded key discoveries as anagrams to establish priority before publication. These should all target Anagram#Establishment of priority, or they should all target the relevant topics they encode: Rings of Saturn#History for the first two, and Hooke's law for the latter. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 12:26, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

• Keep 1 and 2, neutral 3** – This is fascinating. I think this article describes the anagram itself the best. It's not a particularly useful redirect, but you can imagine someone hiding this specific anagram as an easter egg in some work, in which case this redirect would serve very well. The third one is only explained in a note, which makes me more happy to delete. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 14:20, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

I'm a bit confused. You created Aaaaaaacccccdeeeeeghiiiiiiillllmmnnnnnnnnnooooppqrrstttttuuuuu only to immediately RfD it? Tercer (talk) 18:37, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

I'm guessing nom's thought process was, "Well, I made this redirect, but I'm not sure if it should point where Smaismrmilmepoetaleumibunenugttauiras points or if it should point analogously to where Ceiiinosssttuv points (which would be Rings of Saturn#History), so I'll just bundle my new redirect in with these two confused redirects as an RfD". 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 19:40, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Yeah the target seemed to be the biggest question. I think we should simply make the target wherever the nature of the anagram is best explained. Further needed wikilinks are there. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 06:38, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

• All should point to the Anagram article. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 18:48, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Retarget/keep all three to Anagram#Establishment of priority, where the purpose of these anagrams-- how they're constructed, what they mean, and why they were made- are discussed at length. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 19:52, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Hurt (Witt Lowry song)

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was speedy delete per criterion G5. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 12:28, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

• Hurt (Witt Lowry song) → Hurt  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No article for Witt Lowry and thus not even listed on the Hurt disambiguation page. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 04:33, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom, we have no information about this song and nowhere that appears suitable to mention it. Witt Lowry does get quite a few mentions but all in passing (principally where he has collaborated with other people) and none of them are relevant to this song. Thryduulf (talk) 10:32, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review).