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:A profound emotion of acceptance It’s privilege to be invited on this matter but my familiarity with the topic is pretty much kindergarten level, but I would try my best if I can to be of service for the cause of of this organization spreading facts and knowledge of false/correct informations and understanding of both information’s existence. [[User:The Summum Bonum|The Summum Bonum]] ([[User talk:The Summum Bonum|talk]]) 12:22, 12 July 2024 (UTC) |
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City Vector Maps in SVG format
I invite the community to consider the following question: Do articles about cities need vector maps of cities in SVG format - editable, with a full CC-0 license, for free use in any media, publications, presentations, projects, etc.
Let me explain. I have been designing vector maps for many years. Now I have the opportunity to provide a large number of my city maps in SVG format.
I am sure that a map of streets and roads of a city is the main and most necessary content in Wiki articles about cities. In most cases - in articles about cities - there are no such maps. I tried to publish some of my maps in Wiki articles.
And I was extremely surprised that my maps were immediately removed. Reasons for deletion - some users did not like my nickname, some - my user page (and what is written there) - they considered it advertising, some - generally claim that city maps in articles about cities are not needed at all (most users) - and I’m sure that all these claims are unfounded and constitute a form of vandalism. Discuss. and all the arguments of the parties can be read HERE: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Vectormapper#Maps_and_promotion
LIST OF THE FREE CITY MAPS in SVG EDITABLE CC-0
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- Where was the data for these maps obtained? AndyTheGrump (talk) 02:15, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- My family has been involved in cartography since the 17th century. I have a huge archive of geodata. Personally, I have been designing maps for over 25 years. Much was drawn from satellite images. Vectormapper (talk) 02:43, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- This a fantastic body of work but I think unfortunately they are of limited use on Wikipedia, now that we have the Kartographer extension. – Joe (talk) 07:55, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- I know about this application - Kartographer. It is suitable for creating previews, but not suitable for creating maps in vector formats suitable for use in media. And of course, maps created in the Cartographer project cannot be edited in a regular graphical environment. That is, you can look at them, but actually cannot use them. Vectormapper (talk) 16:50, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- People come to Wikipedia to look at things. Wikimedia Commons is for those who edit. Many cities have so-called gallery pages there (like c:New York City), I think that's the best place to put your vector maps for people (professionals like you, I'm afraid) to reuse them. Ponor (talk) 03:11, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- And on the page you indicated (gallery c:New York City ) there is also no good map of New York City.
- Compare what is there now and what I offer. FREE and unlimited use.
- https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:New_York_City_Greater_NY_US_street_map.svg Vectormapper (talk) 03:26, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- That's why I said someone (YOU!) should add them there. I'd also suggest using the c:Template:Map on Commons, with coordinates added, like I did for the NYC map. That's needed for our {{Location map}} templates (examples: Category:New York (state) location map modules). Ponor (talk) 14:18, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Well, I hope that my city maps will be used by others in the community - which I see already happening. And I'm very happy about it. Vectormapper (talk) 18:12, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- That's why I said someone (YOU!) should add them there. I'd also suggest using the c:Template:Map on Commons, with coordinates added, like I did for the NYC map. That's needed for our {{Location map}} templates (examples: Category:New York (state) location map modules). Ponor (talk) 14:18, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- People come to Wikipedia to look at things. Wikimedia Commons is for those who edit. Many cities have so-called gallery pages there (like c:New York City), I think that's the best place to put your vector maps for people (professionals like you, I'm afraid) to reuse them. Ponor (talk) 03:11, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- I know about this application - Kartographer. It is suitable for creating previews, but not suitable for creating maps in vector formats suitable for use in media. And of course, maps created in the Cartographer project cannot be edited in a regular graphical environment. That is, you can look at them, but actually cannot use them. Vectormapper (talk) 16:50, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not seeing why we should make an exception to either our image use policy (due to the in-image credits) or username policy (due to yours matching the website promoted in them). —Cryptic 08:27, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Don't you find it strange that a username CANNOT DISPLAY HIS PROFESSION? For example, a COOK, or a MECHANIC, or an ENGINEER, OR a MUSICIAN? This is not a policy, this is a contrived restriction. And this is obviously wrong. If, for example, a COOK edits a page with methods for preparing jerboa meat in his own tears, then it would probably be correct if the user name is still a COOK, and not “CRUEL_TORMORER OF_JERBOAS” Vectormapper (talk) 16:54, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- You're very much allowed to have your profession in your username. You're not allowed to have a username be only the name of a company/organization/etc, or a position in a company/organization/etc, that would imply possible shared use and/or doesn't identify you as being a single person. "Cook" is extremely generic, but wouldn't really imply shared use as it doesn't make sense for an account to be shared between all cooks, but "Trade Union of the Cooks of Example-land" would imply potential shared use. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 17:45, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- My company is registered in the USA, and the name is SOLICITY NAV LLC - there is not the slightest coincidence with the name of the company. Vectormapper (talk) 18:02, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- You're very much allowed to have your profession in your username. You're not allowed to have a username be only the name of a company/organization/etc, or a position in a company/organization/etc, that would imply possible shared use and/or doesn't identify you as being a single person. "Cook" is extremely generic, but wouldn't really imply shared use as it doesn't make sense for an account to be shared between all cooks, but "Trade Union of the Cooks of Example-land" would imply potential shared use. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 17:45, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Don't you find it strange that a username CANNOT DISPLAY HIS PROFESSION? For example, a COOK, or a MECHANIC, or an ENGINEER, OR a MUSICIAN? This is not a policy, this is a contrived restriction. And this is obviously wrong. If, for example, a COOK edits a page with methods for preparing jerboa meat in his own tears, then it would probably be correct if the user name is still a COOK, and not “CRUEL_TORMORER OF_JERBOAS” Vectormapper (talk) 16:54, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- I admire your work, @Vectormapper, but at 300px these maps are just abstract paintings in yellow and green. I'd have them printed on A0, but zooming-in to see the labels and streets (and anything) is too painful on Wikipedia. Kartographer is much better suited for that. Ponor (talk) 11:59, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Are you joking? These are vector files and can be scaled to any size. 300 pixels is a tiny preview. You can't see anything in this preview. Vectormapper (talk) 16:45, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- So they're good for printing, but not for online viewing. Labels (and streets, buildings...) are of a decent size only when the map is rendered at thousands of pixels, and to get there you need to click on your map (served as a ~300px bitmap in Wikipedia articles), click again, click again and click again, only so you'd get the pristine svg in the browser. And then moving around the map is a pain, at least for the users spoiled by non-static Google or OpenStreet maps. Ponor (talk) 03:03, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Google maps and Open Street maps are good for viewing online, and are completely unacceptable if you need to edit the map, use it in media and presentations, and, of course, for printing at any scale. And it is no coincidence that Wiki articles use SVG files for many images - (schemes, district maps, state and district maps, as well as emblems, flags and coats of arms) - their authors thought that someone would use these images in their projects . And this is absolutely correct. Vectormapper (talk) 03:52, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Not sure about that. I make them so they would look better at the scales used in Wikipedia articles, which is anywhere from 220px to 300px. What we see in articles is always a scaled-down bitmap version of an svg, never the svg itself. Readers will never get 20–40+ MB maps on their devices, even if WMF decides to switch to native SVG support. (after some manipulation, your NYC map just crashed my laptop browser!) Ponor (talk) 14:10, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Well, first of all, there is a large amount of software for viewing and editing SVG files. In the maps of streets and roads I published, the amount of data is reduced as much as possible for large cities. But New York City is a big city. Nothing can be done about this. Vectormapper (talk) 18:10, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Not sure about that. I make them so they would look better at the scales used in Wikipedia articles, which is anywhere from 220px to 300px. What we see in articles is always a scaled-down bitmap version of an svg, never the svg itself. Readers will never get 20–40+ MB maps on their devices, even if WMF decides to switch to native SVG support. (after some manipulation, your NYC map just crashed my laptop browser!) Ponor (talk) 14:10, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Google maps and Open Street maps are good for viewing online, and are completely unacceptable if you need to edit the map, use it in media and presentations, and, of course, for printing at any scale. And it is no coincidence that Wiki articles use SVG files for many images - (schemes, district maps, state and district maps, as well as emblems, flags and coats of arms) - their authors thought that someone would use these images in their projects . And this is absolutely correct. Vectormapper (talk) 03:52, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- So they're good for printing, but not for online viewing. Labels (and streets, buildings...) are of a decent size only when the map is rendered at thousands of pixels, and to get there you need to click on your map (served as a ~300px bitmap in Wikipedia articles), click again, click again and click again, only so you'd get the pristine svg in the browser. And then moving around the map is a pain, at least for the users spoiled by non-static Google or OpenStreet maps. Ponor (talk) 03:03, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Are you joking? These are vector files and can be scaled to any size. 300 pixels is a tiny preview. You can't see anything in this preview. Vectormapper (talk) 16:45, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Vectormapper, may I suggest that you spend a while lurking at voy:en:Wikivoyage:Travellers' pub? The travel guide usually wants some SVG maps. WhatamIdoing (talk) 23:06, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks))) I do it))) Vectormapper (talk) 23:47, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- These are impressive maps, I suspect use on article will depend on individual discussion. One note is that given these are so specifically detailed, they should probably have a date (title or description) to note when their underlying data was obtained. Best, CMD (talk) 03:30, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- This is a valuable point. But in general, the date of creation of the map is on the file description page. In any case, they are all spring 2024. Vectormapper (talk) 03:44, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Checking my city, I see the map is at least a year out of date. So some data used to construct it was old. So I suppose we need newer versions over time. But I think the idea is good. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 10:37, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Just indicate the city you need. I will try to update the city map as quickly as possible. Vectormapper (talk) 18:06, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Checking my city, I see the map is at least a year out of date. So some data used to construct it was old. So I suppose we need newer versions over time. But I think the idea is good. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 10:37, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- This is a valuable point. But in general, the date of creation of the map is on the file description page. In any case, they are all spring 2024. Vectormapper (talk) 03:44, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Charlottesville_Virginia_US_street_map.svg Vectormapper (talk) 21:34, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Saint Petersburg, Russia street map https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Saint_Petersburg_Russia_street_map.svg Vectormapper (talk) 05:31, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Uh, well, I don't know what this whole kerfluffu is about, but I think the maps are fine and I'd happily use them if I were writing an article. Isn't Kartographer an external service that requires you to have an active Internet connection to fetch the maps? Why does everyone seem to despise this guy? Is there something I'm missing? jp×g🗯️ 02:18, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the kind words. I will only be glad if you use my maps both on the Wiki and outside of it.
- https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:ListFiles?limit=50&user=Kirill+Shrayber&ilshowall=1 Kirill Shrayber (talk) 03:26, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
This week's article for improvement
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The new, sixth section of the main page. There will be no editing protections on the article, or at least a very low level of protection. It will be modelled closely after Today's featured article in terms of format. I believe it will bring the following benefits:
1) Create an opportunity for more inexperienced editors to participate in the project by bringing forth a visibly imperfect article, possibly recruiting future long-term editors
2) Emphasize the participatory nature of Wikipedia
3) Improve the actual article being showcased
I would appreciate any thoughts. We could have a trial run before we implement it permanently. Bremps... 00:29, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- That would be an interesting idea! I've heard this proposal before, but I don't really remember how it went or why it wasn't implemented. It could also be a good way to work on systemic bias in Wikipedia. Of course, there are a lot of open questions, like how the article will be selected. Maybe voting between High-importance and Top-importance articles on various WikiProjects that are lacking in quality? Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 00:46, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- IIRC people usually object on the basis that the main page should feature our best content rather than content we know needs improving, and possibly some skepticism that positive contributions will be able to be made in the face of vandalism. Anomie⚔ 01:06, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- And also that it doesn't work: Wikipedia talk:Articles for improvement/Archive 5#Failure * Pppery * it has begun... 01:37, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- I like to think we're wiser than 11 years ago. Wikipedia was younger and less mature then. Bremps... 02:13, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- On the contrary, the rough consensus in that discussion appears to be that the TAFI trial did show promising results but that there were problems with the format, specifically that too many articles were presented each week. – Joe (talk) 04:39, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- And also that it doesn't work: Wikipedia talk:Articles for improvement/Archive 5#Failure * Pppery * it has begun... 01:37, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Voting would be a good proposal. Or it could work like OTD, where people first-come first-serve fill in upcoming slots. Bremps... 02:19, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- First-come-first-serve would fill in extremely quickly, much more than OTD (as any article could be added any day, and people would be quite interested in having others improve their articles). And it would make self-promoting on the Main Page incredibly easy, while not necessarily guaranteeing that the articles being shown are necessarily a priority for improvement. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 02:21, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Voting it is! Bremps... 02:50, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- I suggest having a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Articles for improvement regarding restoring its section on the main page, and to understand how the project has filled its queue since it was last on the main page. isaacl (talk) 16:29, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- Voting it is! Bremps... 02:50, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- First-come-first-serve would fill in extremely quickly, much more than OTD (as any article could be added any day, and people would be quite interested in having others improve their articles). And it would make self-promoting on the Main Page incredibly easy, while not necessarily guaranteeing that the articles being shown are necessarily a priority for improvement. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 02:21, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- IIRC people usually object on the basis that the main page should feature our best content rather than content we know needs improving, and possibly some skepticism that positive contributions will be able to be made in the face of vandalism. Anomie⚔ 01:06, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Most people on the Main Page have 0 edits, meaning they don't know how to edit. Wikipedia is reader-focused and we don't really need to be encouraging readers to convert to editors on the Main Page imo. The community portal is a better place to start. — PerfectSoundWhatever (t; c) 01:55, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Honestly, readers will rarely stumble upon the community portal, let alone decide that this confusing-looking page is what will turn them into editors. If we want to make Wikipedia accessible as the encyclopedia that anyone can edit, it is only natural to encourage editing directly from the Main Page. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 02:25, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- That's true. About the portal, I moreso meant beginner editors who want to learn more. I mean it is the first link on the main page under the "Other areas of Wikipedia". We also have the sidebar links "learn to edit" and "help". In my opinion, the "edit" buttons on every single article are sufficient to recruit readers. — PerfectSoundWhatever (t; c) 02:36, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- The focus on new editor recruitment is why it was deemed a failure the first time. If we are going to try again (and I think we should) the focus should purely be on article improvement. Taking a poor article and making it better. Blueboar (talk) 23:44, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- That's true. About the portal, I moreso meant beginner editors who want to learn more. I mean it is the first link on the main page under the "Other areas of Wikipedia". We also have the sidebar links "learn to edit" and "help". In my opinion, the "edit" buttons on every single article are sufficient to recruit readers. — PerfectSoundWhatever (t; c) 02:36, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- There are plenty of other reasons why a person could be capable of editing and yet not do so, I think. jp×g🗯️ 02:20, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Honestly, readers will rarely stumble upon the community portal, let alone decide that this confusing-looking page is what will turn them into editors. If we want to make Wikipedia accessible as the encyclopedia that anyone can edit, it is only natural to encourage editing directly from the Main Page. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 02:25, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Is there an edit page option for an article for final approval prior to finalizing an edit week ,days, window of approval from editors ?The Summum Bonum (talk) 14:53, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
Standardise use of Lexical sets for describing English dialect phonology
In many of the articles linked to by Regional accents of English (separate note that many should be in Category:Dialects of English but are not), there are descriptions of each dialect's phonology. However, instead of using an extended version of Wells' Lexical sets, many articles refer to the broad transcription of rhotic RP English, according to Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Pronunciation. Thus Southern American English#Modern phonology has a table where the first column reads 'English diaphoneme, /æ/, /ɑː/, /ɒ/, /ɔː/' instead of 'Lexical Set, TRAP/BATH, PALM, LOT, CLOTH/THOUGHT' (or something similar) and Indian English#Vowels contains 'Diphthong /eɪ/ is pronounced as [e]' instead of 'FACE is pronounced as [e]'. Examples of articles using Lexical sets correctly are Scottish English#Phonology and American English#Phonology (for tables and not, respectively).
The bottom line is that the whole points of Lexical sets is that we don't need to talk about dialects in terms of a 'standard' pronunciation, and we can easily refer to groups of nouns and see how they interact (it clearly makes no sense to talk about a /ɒ/-/ɒ/ split rather than a LOT-CLOTH split). Therefore it is ridiculous to keep using broad transcription when Wells' system exists and is widely used already. Citation unneeded (talk) 17:22, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Edit filter manager has an RfC
Wikipedia:Edit filter manager has an RfC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. EggRoll97 (talk) 19:03, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
Remove a word from a article
I understand that Indian courts have no jurisdiction over Wikipedia content, I would like to highlight that Wikipedia, as a global platform, has a responsibility to ensure that its content adheres to ethical standards and respects the laws and sensitivities of different cultures and nations. Article 17 of the Constitution of India explicitly abolishes the practice of 'untouchability' and criminalizes any enforcement of disabilities arising out of it. The use of the term 'untouchable' is deeply offensive and historically rooted in discrimination and oppression. I respectfully request that Wikipedia review below article content to ensure that it does not perpetuate discriminatory language. Instead of using the term 'untouchable', more appropriate and respectful terminology should be employed to discuss this aspect of India's history and social structure.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pasi_(caste) 2405:201:300B:390E:E42A:45AE:34CC:F448 (talk) 19:44, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose As long as reliable sources use the term, so do we. A law doesn't blink a term out of existence. And Wikipedia is not censored. As long as an offensive term is being used an encyclopedic manner, there's no issue. If someone called another editor an "untouchable," they'd rightly be blocked very quickly, but this is a completely different things. CoffeeCrumbs (talk) 00:16, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- What, we can't explain it or put it further down than the first sentence of the lead? jp×g🗯️ 02:22, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- It's a gross word for a gross practice (IMO), but it's so ingrained in sources of topics related to castes that I don't think that improves matters. CoffeeCrumbs (talk) 01:11, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- What, we can't explain it or put it further down than the first sentence of the lead? jp×g🗯️ 02:22, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- The term (untouchable) truly exists it is a discriminating term and a factual statement, but we should truly recognize its meaning and existence. This establishment is not to promote hate or violence and discrimination to anyone but to freely share knowledge and information without bias and fear we hope you understand this organizations ethos/ethicsThe Summum Bonum (talk) 13:13, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
Proposed split of one of our largest lists
The List of common misconceptions contains more than 23,000 words and nearly 900 inline citations. We are already using workarounds to avoid some hard technical limits affecting reference display, and there are limits to what else can be done, especially if more citations are added. Please see Talk:List of common misconceptions#Split proposal, where we are talking about splitting it into two, three, or four separate lists, or alternatively discouraging the use of more than one or two sources per entry. Opinions and other ideas would be welcome. WhatamIdoing (talk) 16:46, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- Don't see what that has to do with the pump, there is a discussion on the talk page and editors there can sort it out.Selfstudier (talk) 17:18, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
Two or more contributer/editorial authority procedure confirmation required prior to deletion or removal of an article/talk. A single contributor may add with references and citations but would require more than one to delete or remove.
To whom it may concern, It is sad to say that some individual contributer are trigger happy of their power/privileges on denying new edits on article/talk without checking the facts on the edit. I'm promposing that one contributer can add but cannot delete or remove voices on Talk. Denying/deletions of article/talk or removal of an article / talk should be verified by at least one or more contributer process. This would limit the frustration, time and effort of anyone who worked hard on the research and simply be denied due to bias on the original authors article/talk or for unknown reason without explaining and confirming that the references or citations are indeed known relative fact from all know legal form or law on publishing such phrase, statements and or quotes. I'm proposing also that the privilege/power of denying an edit on article/talk should only be possible with a two contributer or more editorial editor processe confirming false statement or factual unless a publication is false or link to an article was null ie. References/Citations without ISBN or Link page etc. can be edited by adding only to an article/talk that it is null but can not be deleted unless confirmed by more than one contributer/editorial authority procedure, Respectfully (The Summum Bonum (talk) 00:24, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Is there a specific talk page item that you are unhappy about? In general, WP:TPO already prevents users from summarily deleting others' talk page comments. There are of course limited exceptions, but I'm not quite sure that we're solving a problem here that our policies and guidelines don't already address. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 00:59, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- I’m humbled on your replies and truly appreciate your response, I don’t believe in lynching and my intentions are not to point on some instances but merely proposing a more standard approach to promote a more trusted way of decorum among contributors, vandalism ie.. anonymous users included notifying that decision was not bias and was not decided by a” single person alone” but a professional group of individuals. Thank you everyone (The Summum Bonum (talk) 12:15, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- my endless campaign to get people to start linking WP:SUPERHAT etc etc jp×g🗯️ 03:04, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- Well I think you should give examples of where you think it is wrong. I remove talk page entries where they are duplicates, vandalism, attacks, spam, created by spambots, or trolling, or perhaps created by banned editors' socks. If not in scope for the talk page, eg forum-like posts, I may respond instead of delete to see if there will be an improvement suggested. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 01:00, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- If I had to guess from this user's 16 prior edits, they had a talk page edit reverted as promotional, and are unhappy about it. The mainspace concerns seem to similarly stem from an inappropriately created draft that duplicates an existing article getting rejected. I don't think a proposal for a new policy is the correct solution for this editor's problems. ⇒SWATJester Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat! 01:46, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Like what I was saying it was on the Talk an additional information I was mentioning and I was reminded not to attach the link of a site considered as promotional and I replied professionally and yes I admitted my mistakes I’m am not perfect The Summum Bonum (talk) 12:27, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for your opinion/citations and giving us an example why I’m proposing this additional policy. It I believe in facts not wrong not correct, technical issues are itself a different proposal and new users should be guided and supported to experience more with more welcoming organizations rather than being judge by a newbie mistake a sponsorship would highly recommend rather than looking down on me. Again Thank you on your morally motivating remarks on my new proposal and hopefully a great experience as a contributor to this organization(The Summum Bonum (talk) 13:01, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- l The Summum Bonum (talk) 13:01, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you so much I m not in a position to say it was wrong or it was right, simple adding “ See also “ at someone else articles or additional citations or maybe a sentence or pronouncing words in specific languages are also important part of an information to a topic or articles. And the assurance that a or the deletion was made by not a single person but by a team truly (The Summum Bonum (talk) 12:22, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- If I had to guess from this user's 16 prior edits, they had a talk page edit reverted as promotional, and are unhappy about it. The mainspace concerns seem to similarly stem from an inappropriately created draft that duplicates an existing article getting rejected. I don't think a proposal for a new policy is the correct solution for this editor's problems. ⇒SWATJester Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat! 01:46, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- If a contributor adds something to an article, and another contributor removes it, the onus is on the one wanting the change (ie, the one adding the material) to get consensus. From there on, it can be discussed on the talk page (see WP:BRD). Reasons for objecting to an edit aren't limited to it being factually incorrect, and can also include WP:DUE, WP:NPOV or simply being unencyclopedic. If we remove people's ability to revert other edits, it will heavily skew the balance in favor of inclusionism, and leave unwanted material in the article even if there isn't a consensus for it.Regarding talk pages, it is already strongly discouraged, and considered inappropriate, to remove or edit someone else's comments without their permission, even when they are factually incorrect or unsourced. WP:TPO provides an overview of what is allowed, which mostly consists of unobjectionable cleanup and/or reverting vandalism. Waiting for several people to agree to this wouldn't necessarily be more helpful as the existing guidelines are already things no reasonable person would disagree with, and would only slow down things like reverting vandalism. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 01:57, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- User talk:Swatjester example of lack of decorum his opinion is a prime evidence his statements are based from 16 actions of my failure to get it right doesn’t mean my intention was vandalism or improper it was more on the technical issues rather that producing the facts of the article (The Summum Bonum (talk) 12:34, 10 July 2024 (UTC) p.s. users page reliability
- I'm sorry, what? My analysis of your *very short* editing history is not an example of "lack of decorum", and I made no statements about your intentions. I'll thank you to remember to assume good faith, engage civilly with others that are criticizing your proposals, and to stop casting aspersions at those who don't agree with you. You're really not helping your case here. ⇒SWATJester Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat! 04:58, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- My proposal was based on my experience of accountability and I truly appreciate your response, I have experienced the meaning of “slow is fast, fast is slow” in Naval Terminology it simply means doing the right way properly the first time and verifications of multiple times is the key to a successful sailing. Thank you(The Summum Bonum (talk) 12:46, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- I did not mean to imply that your edits were vandalism. However, if you wish to discuss whether your previous edits were appropriate, here is not the place for it, and I'm afraid that ship has already sailed. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 13:06, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- This proposal should should also include reverts of what is considered Vandalism with specific reference from the rules stating reason for reverts with a statement not by just inserting the 1000 words of the rule itself. Not all easy way is the right way. The Summum Bonum (talk) 13:24, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- I did not mean to imply that your edits were vandalism. However, if you wish to discuss whether your previous edits were appropriate, here is not the place for it, and I'm afraid that ship has already sailed. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 13:06, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Is it permitted to adjust the indentation level on a different editor's comments? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul (talk) 13:16, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- From what indentation type to another type.? I suggest requesting your voice or intention out on talk of the article for a voting in respect to the original author. Confirmed by a contributor plus you equals a team. And would be a yes. The Summum Bonum (talk) 13:32, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Adding or removing ":"s in column 1 to indent comment one tab to the right of the text the comment is responding to, or adding a {{od}} in front of a comment. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul (talk) 13:53, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- A programmers edit should be included on my proposal so your question regarding what you do and what you cannot visually to an article applies to visual editing ie…spelling spacing heading etc…but doesn't apply to this topic , but a policy to limit any including source editors for a secondary confirmation of removal or deletion of an article/talk intentions, a programmer who edits through source not through visual Is a matter of option of what the article visual or proper grammar/spellings fonts etc… should be considered a topic on itself on talk prior to confirmation of changes/edit with more than one contributor including the editor. You can add/ change alone but 2 contributors to delete/ remove an article/talk. A repeat offender of vandalism is punishable under the rules. Hopefully it clears your dilemma and I quote “wrong questions equals wrong answer.” Don’t expect someone’s answer to your question to be the same as your answers, and there is no “stupid” question. My flowchart maybe different from your flowchart but our output should be the same and we both agree that your flowchart was more efficient. From” {}” to indent to : or indent (). a.b. C. [] ? CMOS,APA, AP types made by the original authors should be respected. A matter of taste?
- The Summum Bonum (talk) 14:43, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Adding or removing ":"s in column 1 to indent comment one tab to the right of the text the comment is responding to, or adding a {{od}} in front of a comment. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul (talk) 13:53, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- From what indentation type to another type.? I suggest requesting your voice or intention out on talk of the article for a voting in respect to the original author. Confirmed by a contributor plus you equals a team. And would be a yes. The Summum Bonum (talk) 13:32, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- User talk:Swatjester example of lack of decorum his opinion is a prime evidence his statements are based from 16 actions of my failure to get it right doesn’t mean my intention was vandalism or improper it was more on the technical issues rather that producing the facts of the article (The Summum Bonum (talk) 12:34, 10 July 2024 (UTC) p.s. users page reliability
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Village pump (WMF) § Unnecessary line on fundraiser banner. It is about a controversial line in current fundraiser (putting invitation here as it is kind of a proposal to remove it). –ExclusiveEditor Notify Me! 14:56, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- A profound emotion of acceptance It’s privilege to be invited on this matter but my familiarity with the topic is pretty much kindergarten level, but I would try my best if I can to be of service for the cause of of this organization spreading facts and knowledge of false/correct informations and understanding of both information’s existence. The Summum Bonum (talk) 12:22, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
Discussion at WT:CSD § F8 and keep local
You are invited to join the discussion at WT:CSD § F8 and keep local.-- Marchjuly (talk) 03:03, 12 July 2024 (UTC)