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I am new to Wikipedia - though I have one article accepted. I have written an article on the French journal ''Trafic: une revue de cinéma'' because it was requested by Wikipedia. I was reading an article on Raymond Bellour and was re-directed to the request when I clicked on ''Trafic'' for which Bellour is an editor. The article on ''Trafic'' was declined because the topic was not notable and insufficient references were provided. I provided 8 references for this short description, including one to an article in the newspaper ''Le monde''' however these were in French. Could this be the problem? I should add that I would not have written the article if it had not been requested. Should I ignore such requests in the future? I read French and was familiar with the journal, so I thought that I might be able to assist. Any suggestions that the Help Desk might have would be much appreciated. |
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March 25
23:22:16, 25 March 2018 review of submission by 107.77.194.156
- 107.77.194.156 (talk · contribs) (TB)
- 1) First, I wrote an article about a Frank Lloyd Wright house and mentioned a woman, Dorothy Eppstein, who helped build the house and was a WWII medal of honor winner. My article was shot down because the person said she wasn't important enough?? A movie was made about her! What does a woman have to do to warrant "importance" on Wikipedia? Do you know 80% of your articles are about men? A hell of a lot of them did less for the world than air force pilot Dororty Eppstein.
- 2) after the rejection, I was given the word "Penis" to type into the captua - really? Reject the article about a woman then give me a captue of "Penis" - it's really beyond beliefE
107.77.194.156 (talk) 23:22, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
- 107.77.194.156 - Hi. In relation to your first question, I've had a look at the draft and there are quite a few issues with it. I'll give more detailed comments on the draft itself. I'm afraid I just don't understand your second question and can't help with that. Regards. KJP1 (talk) 06:03, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
March 26
05:14:23, 26 March 2018 review of submission by Imabhi666
Why you decline my article Imabhi666 (talk) 05:14, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
- Imabhi666 - Hi, and welcome. Your draft was declined because it doesn't have any sources. Sources are essential on Wikipedia. They are how we decide if a topic is Notable and should have an article on here. And they let readers verify that what they are reading is accurate. You don't actually need many for places, but you do need a few. If you have a look at Arwal you'll see what I mean. KJP1 (talk) 05:56, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
14:26:14, 26 March 2018 review of submission by Greenough Ben
- Greenough Ben (talk · contribs) (TB)
I just saw this on my page that is waiting review, I am not sure what it means. : Flagged at User:SQL/PossibleCopyvioDrafts Legacypac (talk) 09:41, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
Greenough Ben (talk) 14:26, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
Greenough Ben (talk) 14:26, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
- Hello @Greenough Ben: if you follow that link it shows that 39% of your article tripped a tool that identifies copyright violations. Maybe you have too many pieces of your article that are word-for-word copied from other places? MatthewVanitas (talk) 03:03, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
16:16:01, 26 March 2018 review of submission by Nickjames1984
- Nickjames1984 (talk · contribs) (TB)
Hi,
Originally the article was rejected for not being supported by reliable sources. I made changes to address this and it has been declined again for the same reason without any further comments. I'm not sure what else I can change? From what I can tell, every source I've used can be deemed to be reliable. Any help/advice would be much appreciated.
Many thanks,
Nick
Nickjames1984 (talk) 16:16, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
18:24:07, 26 March 2018 review of submission by Pavlovich007
- Pavlovich007 (talk · contribs) (TB)
- Pure discrimination!!!!
Pavlovich007 (talk) 18:24, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
- Pavlovich007 - Hi. I can assure you it's got noting to do with discrimination, and everything to do with the fact that you're trying to write a draft biography of a living person (BLP) without any inline sourcing. Have a look at Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons our policy in this area, and Help:Referencing for beginners which should help you out. And you might want to take a look at Wikipedia:Assume good faith while you're about it. Regards. KJP1 (talk) 18:43, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
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22:06:36, 26 March 2018 review of submission by Standtall78
GypsyGoddess (talk) 22:06, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
- @Standtall78: your draft was published some days back; did you still have a questions? MatthewVanitas (talk) 03:12, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
- @MatthewVanitas: thanks. But when I googled the name, it doesn't come up, I only see other links that said the article was deleted. A user helped me moved it from multiple places I mistakenly put it, now it it not showing online except one has the link. How can this be rectified? Thanks.
- Standtall78 - Not to stand on Matthew's heels, but pages aren't immediately indexed on google when they are created. first they need to be accepted via the New page patrollers, and then, google's robots don't find things immediately. He will eventually show on Wikipedia. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 09:29, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
- P.S. - I have patrolled the article for you. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 09:33, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
March 27
11:29:33, 27 March 2018 review of submission by Pradeep Suryavanshi
- Pradeep Suryavanshi (talk · contribs) (TB)
- No draft specified!
Post it khaga Article on Hitory portion neither i will complain you all to you abusing me or not post my article i will give you all proof Pradeep Suryavanshi (talk) 11:29, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
- Already replied above. KJP1 (talk) 21:23, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
Request on 13:12:04, 27 March 2018 for assistance on AfC submission by Thelamb22
I do not know why my article was declined, and info would be greatly appreciated! Thelamb22 (talk) 13:12, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
- Hi Thelamb22. Wikipedia articles can't be written about just anyone. They need to be notable peoples, or things of interest, generally this is done by secondary sources talking about the subject, but for footballers, it's slightly different. There guidelines for inclusion of football players can be found at: WP:NFOOTY. Basically, he needs to have played in a fully professional match, so you would need to prove he has done this. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 13:39, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
15:31:34, 27 March 2018 review of submission by Computer Risk Management
My article titled Printerland was rejected because it included copyrighted content. This is not the case, as every piece of information was correctly referenced and I wrote the submission personally so I know that nothing was copied.
I'm trying to speak to the user who rejected my draft for some more helpful feedback on how to improve my article, but its been a week and I've heard nothing back. Could I please have some guidance on this? I know that the original draft has been deleted, so you may not be able to review it, however I have a screen shot of the article in draft mode which I can share.
Thank you,
Computer Risk Management (talk) 15:31, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
- Submitter appears to have changed their name to Lauloulew
- @Lauloulew:, it appears the deleter was corresponding with you just today, so all back on track? MatthewVanitas (talk) 03:13, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
- @MatthewVanitas:, yes - I finally got an update on what was being flagged as copyrighted material. I just need :@RHaworth: to send me my original draft text to edit and resubmit. Thanks so much for checking in.(Lauloulew (talk) 09:22, 29 March 2018 (UTC))
- User talk:Printerland has never been deleted. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 13:14, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
- RHaworth Draft:Printerland has been deleted as a copyright violation. -- Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 22:16, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
18:27:04, 27 March 2018 review of submission by BritnyDPR
Hello. I would like an unbiased third party editor to create the page ClusterTruck Food Delivery. The sources should follow all guidelines. BritnyDPR BritnyDPR (talk) 18:27, 27 March 2018 (UTC) BritnyDPR (talk) 18:27, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
- I see you've already made this request in the proper place. KJP1 (talk) 21:24, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
22:22:58, 27 March 2018 review of draft by AnnickD
How can I change the title from Robert Montagu to Robert Montagu Therapist
AnnickD (talk) 22:22, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
- @AnnickD: don't worry about the title; if the draft is accepted the Reviewer will fix it for you. Just focus on getting the draft up to snuff. MatthewVanitas (talk) 03:10, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
March 28
13:40:08, 28 March 2018 review of submission by Carlosmoreira69
- Carlosmoreira69 (talk · contribs) (TB)
Carlos Moreira 13:40, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
I have changed the article when can it be published? No more daily Beast references.
David — Preceding unsigned comment added by Carlosmoreira69 (talk • contribs) 13:40, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
- @Carlosmoreira69: it's okay to take facts from Daily Beast, put them in your own words, and footnote them to that source. The problem appears to be that you copied text directly from DB. If you feel you've fixed that issue, click the Resubmit button to get back into the line for review. MatthewVanitas (talk) 03:09, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
16:27:34, 28 March 2018 review of submission by Sunnyday18
Questions about a submission I made, comments were placed on the article and I am not sure which lines or words the comments are referring to to fix them and I am unable to access the article or find that I even created it to fix it. Am I able to fix/adjust it while it is under review, has the article been deleted completely?
Sunnyday18 (talk) 16:27, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
- Hello David H. Gutmann was created but then deleted as an "unambiguous copyright infringement". If there are minor issues with an article you can usually ask the deleter to restore the draft for you, but if it is a flat-out copyright violation, they generally won't give it back and you need to start from scratch and not copy sources word-for-word.
- I can't see the article, but there were also possible issues with WP:Conflict of interest. Note that if you have ties to the subject, you have to announce them on the page per COI. Also, if you do want to start from scratch, my advice is to start a draft page by just compiling all the sources you can find online about the subjec, then comb through them to find specific facts and cite the facts to the sources. That way you can make sure that everything you add to the draft has a clear source. What you don't want to do is the reverse, where you just write whatever you know, then in hindsight try and find sources to prove your claims. MatthewVanitas (talk) 03:07, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
March 29
06:20:09, 29 March 2018 review of submission by Saurav.webkul
- Saurav.webkul (talk · contribs) (TB)
I want to know why my submission has been declined. I made the changes in the content because of which it was declined previously.
Saurav.webkul (talk) 06:20, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
- It hasn't just been declined, it's been salted. This means that no-one can now create an article on "Webkul". It's time for you to abandon your attempt to abuse Wikipedia for promotional purposes. Maproom (talk) 10:04, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
19:08:50, 29 March 2018 review of submission by Gutchman
Added:
- Hello @Gutchman: the issue is that your draft is still basically just about "About Us!" page for LIM rather than an objective description. I see you've added some links, but they're just to other Lutheran Missionary organizations.
- You're falling into a common error: you write what you know about a subject, then go back to try to add sources. What works far better is to do it the other way round: use what you know about the subject to gather a body of good sources, then clear your mind of what you know about the subject and write the draft as though all you had was said sources. I did some looking for sources and not finding a ton online, probably because it was part of Lutheran Association of Missionaries and Pilots from the 1970s until 2000. It may be that it is mentioned more in books and news articles found offline (which are okay to use, just cite them very clearly so someone could find them if needed).
- I strongly suggest you take a look at WP:Independent sources; just adding cites to LAMP and church sites does not provide any independent perspective on LIM, so that's the big issue. MatthewVanitas (talk) 20:11, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
- @Gutchman: I notice that Lutheran Association of Missionaries and Pilots doesn't have any independent sourcing either. If you're having trouble substantiating facts about LIM, I suggest you could tackle improving LAMP, and then add a section at LAMP explaining that LIM split off from it in 2000, and create a Redirect so that searches for LAMP or LIM go to the same page. I notice a lot more substantiated facts about LAMP on GoogleBooks, so fixing up that article could be a good workaround. MatthewVanitas (talk) 20:19, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
External links
- lampministry.org - Official site for Lutheran Association of Missionaries and Pilots (LAMP)
- - Official site for Lutheran Indian Ministries
- - Lutheran Church Missouri Synod Recognized Service Organizations listed as Lutheran Association of Missionaries and Pilots U.S., Inc. - DBA Lutheran Indian Ministries
Is this sufficient for establishing importance? Lutheran Indian Ministries (LIM) separated from Lutheran Association of Missionaries and Pilots (LAMP) 18 years ago. LAMP works only in Canada. They have a Wikipedia article. LIM works in both the US and Canada and is a Recognized Service Organization of the Lutheran Church Missouri Synod (the LCMS has a Wikipedia article) as is LAMP. Another RSO of the LCMS, the Lutheran Church Extension Fund have a Wikipedia article.
Thanks for any help you can give me. It's been a while since I published an article and I am rusty.
Gutchman (talk) 19:08, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
Hello Gutchman,
There are guidelines that we use to determine notability (see here). This guideline states that a topic is presumed to be important enough to warrant its own article if it has received "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". There are also secondary notability criteria for specific groups. Here the relevant one (WP:ORG) is similar but includes some protection to prevent companies from gaming the system.
I looked around and found that Lutherian Indian Ministries have been the subject of a documentary [1] as part of the PBS(?) series Visionaries. This is substantial coverage that is independent of the subject. Usually, human-interest reporting is known to play loose with the facts in order to illicit emotions in the reader/viewer and as such are not usually considered reliable. However, the team behind Visionaries seem to have significant background in documentary journalism that leads me to believe it to be reliable. For notability to be asserted, you would need another source is independent, reliable and that covers significantly the organization. In the best of cases, 2 more would solidify that claim, and make the point about the reliability of the source moot.
So, I am unsure about the notability of the organization, and that should be something that is addressed. If you can find more of these sources, you would be able to create an article.
Another avenue to consider is that you could, instead of creating an article, include a section about LIM in the LAMP article, as they were both the same organization at the start and do similar work. Acebulf (talk) 00:23, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
19:51:16, 29 March 2018 review of submission by Soc221 maseitz
- Soc221 maseitz (talk · contribs) (TB)
Soc221 maseitz (talk) 19:51, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
19:51:16, 29 March 2018 review of submission by Soc221 maseitz
- Soc221 maseitz (talk · contribs) (TB)
I am requesting assistance because I am unsure why my article was declined to be published. I was hoping that I could get some tips or feedback on what I need to change in order to make it better. Thanks.
Soc221 maseitz (talk) 19:51, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
- It was rejected because, as it says in the rejection notice, it "reads more like an essay than an encyclopedia article". This probably can't be fixed – it's just not a suitable topic for a Wikipedia article. Maproom (talk) 14:43, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
21:50:39, 29 March 2018 review of submission by 68.102.39.189
- 68.102.39.189 (talk · contribs) (TB)
Can You Fix the western Conference Template please. 68.102.39.189 (talk) 21:50, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
68.102.39.189 (talk) 21:50, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
- 68.102.39.189 - I have fixed the title Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 12:09, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
March 30
07:20:07, 30 March 2018 review of submission by WPH Haami
WPH Haami (talk) 07:20, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
- Account is "globally locked". MatthewVanitas (talk) 20:11, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
09:05:56, 30 March 2018 review of submission by Godfrey Bell
- Godfrey Bell (talk · contribs) (TB)
I do not understand why my draft was declined. I gave references from a published book on his life. Godfrey Bell (talk) 09:05, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
- Colin Hunter was accepted as an article nine minutes before you wrote the above. Maproom (talk) 14:49, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
March 31
11:44:42, 31 March 2018 review of submission by Jeric Nunez
- Jeric Nunez (talk · contribs) (TB)
Hi! There,My name is Jeric, I made a page but I don't know if the page has been reviewed and accepted.The page was 2X declined and I think it has no matter that the page declined in how many times. Is my page accepted because I'm waiting for 3 weeks of confirmation?
Thanks for continues support
Jeric Nuñez
Jeric Nunez (talk) 11:44, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
- Hi Jeric Nunez. Draft:Pag-asa National High School is in the pool of drafts to be reviewed. With the current backlog it likely will be reviewed by the second week of May. See the large yellow box at the top of the draft for more information. --Worldbruce (talk) 14:11, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
22:50:54, 31 March 2018 review of submission by Mjwellington
- Mjwellington (talk · contribs) (TB)
It seems all the reviewers of this page are unfamiliar with what confers notoriety in literature in New Zealand. They don't seem to understand the majority of the links are from the premier magazine and literary journal of records, with a spate of news stories from both mainstream and alternative sources. It's deeply frustrating to have people unfamiliar with this area search for a reason to reject articles when they clearly have no knowledge of the specifics of the field. I was going to help expand the number of pages of NZ authors on wikipedia but if they're going to be all measured and rejected by people who have no idea what they're doing it is a pointless task and I'll just leave this to be deleted.
Mjwellington (talk) 22:50, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
Request on 10:29:15, 1 April 2018 for assistance on AfC submission by Yrarendar
Yrarendar (talk) 10:29, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
Dear Help Desk
I am new to Wikipedia - though I have one article accepted. I have written an article on the French journal Trafic: une revue de cinéma because it was requested by Wikipedia. I was reading an article on Raymond Bellour and was re-directed to the request when I clicked on Trafic for which Bellour is an editor. The article on Trafic was declined because the topic was not notable and insufficient references were provided. I provided 8 references for this short description, including one to an article in the newspaper Le monde' however these were in French. Could this be the problem? I should add that I would not have written the article if it had not been requested. Should I ignore such requests in the future? I read French and was familiar with the journal, so I thought that I might be able to assist. Any suggestions that the Help Desk might have would be much appreciated. Best wishes Yrarendar (talk) 10:29, 1 April 2018 (UTC)