Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Amina Girls' National School Matale

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus.

The first three delete !votes (including nom) fail to explain why redirecting/merging per WP:ATD is not a feasible way to go, so I'm weighting these lower. Sandstein's later lone delete !vote also fails to address Kudpung's redirect suggestion but their !vote cannot be interpreted as being against redirecting (after deletion).

The rest of the discussion is split between keeping the article as it is or redirecting/merging it to the town the school it is in. While WP:NHS is an essay, it is one that enjoys widespread support, so arguments cannot be discounted based solely because they cite an essay. As such, there is - despite a relist - no consensus at this time. A merge/redirect can always be discussed at the talk page or via WP:PM. Regards SoWhy 06:45, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Amina Girls' National School Matale

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Not notable article of this page. cyɾʋs ɴɵtɵɜat bʉɭagɑ!!! (Talk | Contributions) 02:22, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 03:29, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

• Delete Per nom - Google had ~2k results, the majority of which (on the first few pages) were either student pages or something relating to the school's facebook page. Fails WP:GNG. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Williambellwisdo (talk • contribs) 03:34, 27 May 2017 (UTC)
• Delete - pretty clearly fails to meet GNG.PohranicniStraze (talk) 04:26, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sri Lanka-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 11:25, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

• Redirect to its locality as per long standing procedure for nn schools. FYI: @Cyrus noto3at bulaga, Williambellwisdo, and PohranicniStraze:, Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:47, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
• Keep - As per WP:NHS, secondary schools are generally kept. The school is known by several names: Amina Girls College, Amina M.V., Amina Balika Vidyalaya, Amina Maha Vidyalaya, Amina Muslim Vidyalaya.--Obi2canibe (talk) 16:15, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

  Comment, Obi2canibe as per WP:NHS the article should still met a basic level of WP:GNG. I've tried to find reliable independent sources, even using the links above (mainly Facebook and mentions in passing). I concur the school exists even though there is an issue with what is its formal name. Are there any other local sources or sources in Sinhalese that support WP:GNG. Dan arndt (talk) 07:01, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

  @Dan arndt: You'd be hard pressed to find "significant coverage" of most Sri Lankan schools. Here are are a couple reliable sources which mention the school, albeit not in detail: Daily News; Sunday Times. This source from the Ministry of Education gives the school's name as "Amina Balika Vidyalaya" and shows it to be a national school and type 1AB (schools which offer arts, science and commerce Advanced Level courses). The latest school census shows less than 4% of Sri Lankan schools are classified as "national schools" and less than 10% are type 1AB. So it seems this school is one of the "top" schools in Sri Lanka. The lack of coverage may be due to the demographics of its students - Muslim girls.--Obi2canibe (talk) 12:25, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

  WP:NHS clearly states (in respect to high schools) "we do not delete an article because editors have not yet cited their sources, but only if there is no evidence that independent, reliable sources exist. In the isolated instances where such schools have been deleted at WP:AfD, editors were commonly unable to independently verify much more than the school's existence." Dan arndt (talk) 04:33, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

• Keep as a secondary school per longstanding precedent and consensus. The much-cited RfD did not undermine this. -- Necrothesp (talk) 08:21, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
• Keep as per WP:NHS. Dan arndt (talk) 13:40, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
• Keep as degree-awarding is sufficient for notability claims, regardless of any fixable concerns and the current information is enough, at that. SwisterTwister talk 05:45, 3 June 2017 (UTC)
• Delete. All articles require substantial third-party sources per WP:GNG. The ones in this article only confirm the school's existence. WP:NHS is an essay and therefore not relevant.  Sandstein  21:33, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
• Keep. all articles require sources for verifiability. Anything beyond that is a guideline that requires discretion. We are by and large still following the practice that degree granting secondary schools should be considered notable, if only to avoid these 100s of discussions. I would take those arguing for deletion of these articles more seriously if they tried to delete ones in areas where it could realistically be claimed that the failure of us to find sources indicate that there are none to be found. DGG ( talk ) 22:35, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
  • All articles require secondary sources to avoid being original research as well. The burden is on those who wish to keep an article (aside from the preliminary search). --Izno (talk) 16:42, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MBisanz ^talk 01:01, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

• Merge/Redierct to Matale; as per user Kudpung. —usernamekiran(talk) 10:42, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
• It looks to me like WP:BEFORE is satisfied, above. Neither NHS nor OUTCOMES are policy nor guideline--arguments appealing to them should be weighted appropriately by the closing administrator. Redirect per Kudpung (a delete or a delete and redirect are also reasonable outcomes for me). --Izno (talk) 16:42, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
• Delete or redirect to Matale as failing WP:GNG. We only appear to have sources to support a single sentence confirming the school's existence here. Cordless Larry (talk) 07:33, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.