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* '''Comment''' – Meh, per ''Joseph''. – [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 12:44, 22 July 2022 (UTC) |
* '''Comment''' – Meh, per ''Joseph''. – [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 12:44, 22 July 2022 (UTC) |
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*'''Support''' One of the largest freshwater fish in the world? And morphologically unique? This is an extinction of huge value and should definitely be reported. -- [[User:Maykii|Maykii]] ([[User talk:Maykii|talk]]) 14:32, 22 July 2022 (UTC) |
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Chinese paddlefish
Blurb: The Chinese paddlefish, one of the world's largest freshwater fish species, is officially declared extinct by the International Union for Conservation of Nature. (Post)
News source(s): [1], [2], [3]
Credits:
- Nominated by Zach Varmitech (talk · give credit)
- Updated by The Great Mule of Eupatoria (talk · give credit) and Hemiauchenia (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: The species was officially declared extinct by the IUCN today. Zach Varmitech (talk) 22:44, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose The article says it was officially declared extinct in 2019. Thryduulf (talk) 23:31, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- That wasn't quite official. The 2019 Chinese paper only recommended that the IUCN list the fish as extinct, and did not have the power to actually do so — the IUCN has the final word on that. And though the IUCN agreed to list it extinct, the actual listing wasn't done until now. Zach Varmitech (talk) 23:54, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support Significant development in wildlife conservation. Media/press reports are current and indicate that the official status was only just changed. Article appears to be in decent shape. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:24, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support as this is excellent ITN material of high encyclopedic value.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 09:57, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality The description section needs ref work before posting. Once this is fixed, I would fully support this. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 10:09, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose thousands of species go extinct every year, it's not clear to me why this extinction is anything extraordinary, and therefore ITN worthy. Also, article quality is an issue too: the article has lots of content about the 2022 extinction in the lead that isn't in the main body of the article (and thus seems to violate MOS:LEAD), and has an orange tagged section. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:17, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- A possible notability argument could be the flagship species case, however, it does not seem from the article that any conservation efforts were taken specifically for this species. In general, I'd support mentioning of extinct species as long as the article is in a good shape. Tone 12:29, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- The Chinese paddlefish was one of only two species of paddlefish in the entire world, with the fossil record of paddlefish stretching back over 120 million years into the Early Cretaceous. It had also probably been divergent from the American paddlefish, from which is strongly distinct in morphology and diet, for many tens of millions of years. It's not just some random lake chicilid with hundreds of other species like it, but almost one of a kind. Hemiauchenia (talk) 13:27, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support It's not just this species. The full announcement says "The global sturgeon reassessment published today reveals that 100% of the world’s remaining 26 sturgeon species are now at risk of extinction, up from 85% in 2009. The assessments are based on refined calculations which show their decline over the past three generations to be steeper than previously thought. The Yangtze Sturgeon (Acipenser dabryanus) has moved from Critically Endangered to Extinct in the Wild, 17 species are now Critically Endangered, three are Endangered and five are Vulnerable on the IUCN Red List. The reassessment has also confirmed the extinction of the Chinese Paddlefish (Psephurus gladius)." Andrew🐉(talk) 11:38, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose per notability requirements per Joseph2302. Carter00000 (talk) 12:20, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Comment – Meh, per Joseph. – Sca (talk) 12:44, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support One of the largest freshwater fish in the world? And morphologically unique? This is an extinction of huge value and should definitely be reported. -- Maykii (talk) 14:32, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Uwe Seeler
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Hamburger Abendblatt (de), NDR (de)
Credits:
- Nominated by SoWhy (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Grimes2 (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Famous German footballer. Article needs a couple of sources but otherwise ready to go. SoWhy 15:25, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- I think I added all the sources needed now. Regards SoWhy 15:31, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support and marked ready. Thryduulf (talk) 20:33, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 23:22, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
India's new President: Draupadi Murmu
Blurb: Droupadi Murmu elected as India's new President (Post)
Alternative blurb: Droupadi Murmu is elected as President of India
Alternative blurb II: Draupadi Murmu (pictured) is elected by the Parliament as the new President of India
News source(s): NDTV
Credits:
- Nominated by Venkat TL (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Start class, some work needed in sourcing. Venkat TL (talk) 15:02, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Not ready. Firstly, we need to get 2022 Indian presidential election into the blurb (altblurb added). Secondly, both that article and Murmu's have orange-level tags on them, which disqualifies them from posting. Those articles need some substantial work before we can consider posting. Modest Genius talk 15:32, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Linked. Thanks Venkat TL (talk) 15:41, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- The election article quality has actually got worse since yesterday - all the prose has been removed, leaving just tables. Modest Genius talk 11:17, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Linked. Thanks Venkat TL (talk) 15:41, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality as both article on her and the election are orange-tagged. ALT1 follows the standard pattern for election articles, so should be the one we use if the articles are fixed. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:27, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support in principle, oppose on quality — Once the Murmu and presidential election articles are in a better shape, support. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 17:13, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality Both target articles are orange-tagged. The Kip (talk) 17:26, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose "Ceremonial head of state". Gotitbro (talk) 19:48, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- lol. This state you are talking about is India. –Jiaminglimjm (talk) 00:57, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- And? Real power in India does not lie with the President. It is a ceremonial position. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 01:06, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- lol. This state you are talking about is India. –Jiaminglimjm (talk) 00:57, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose per Gotitbro. Real power in India lies in the Prime Minister. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 19:54, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support on principle, but oppose on quality. The ceremonial head of state argument is a weak one, as many heads of state are ceremonial yet enormously symbolic. We also have precedent for posting the ceremonial president of Ireland, a much less globally significant country than India. AryKun (talk) 07:25, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Alright, I'm going to say it: that precedent should be overturned. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 08:27, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Comment If we are to blurb her, we should probably mention she is the first tribal member elected President. -TenorTwelve (talk) 08:31, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose mainly on quality (there are unsourced statements like "Murmu, was criticized for her soft stand on police aggression against tribals during the movement." in her article, let alone bad English and grammar), but (b) I'm unconvinced that a ceremonial head of state that was only elected via an indirect election should be ITN. Black Kite (talk) 08:50, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- That statement you mention is actually sourced from the ref at the end of its paragraph. Also, I think we sometimes forget just how massive India is that one can become even slightly unconvinced of the significance of the first tribal woman President of India. This 'indirect election' involved more voters than scores of countries could even have. Droupadi Murmu's position as President is likely 10x more significant than the queen of england. –Jiaminglimjm (talk) 10:35, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- When you've got a whole paragraph sourced to a single source it needs to be made clearer on contentious material that this is the case, especially if it's "X accused Y of .." type stuff. Regardless, the whole article needs work (as does the election one). Black Kite (talk) 11:45, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- The population of India does not automatically increase the notability of otherwise non-notable events. --LaserLegs (talk) 11:44, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- That statement you mention is actually sourced from the ref at the end of its paragraph. Also, I think we sometimes forget just how massive India is that one can become even slightly unconvinced of the significance of the first tribal woman President of India. This 'indirect election' involved more voters than scores of countries could even have. Droupadi Murmu's position as President is likely 10x more significant than the queen of england. –Jiaminglimjm (talk) 10:35, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality The target article (2022 Indian presidential election) needs a lot of work done before it can be ITN ready. Once, fixed I would support and maybe mentioning Murmu being India's first tribal politician president might be worth mentioning IMO. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 10:02, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose powerless figurehead, the Prime Minister of India wields actual authority and there is no evidence that this appointment is anything other than routine - it is not noteworthy in any way. --LaserLegs (talk) 11:29, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Comment – The AP article notes that in India the presidency is a "largely ceremonial" position. – Sca (talk) 12:48, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
Zakho Resort Attack
Blurb: Nine civillians killed in an attack on Zakho resort in Duhok governorate in Iraqi Kurdistan (Post)
News source(s): BBC Arabic; NY Times
Credits:
- Nominated by EditMaker Me (talk · give credit)
- Oppose - Per notability requirements and article quality. Carter00000 (talk) 13:07, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support in principle - Needs destubbing though.🌈 4🧚♂am KING 👑 13:12, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Comment – Not widely covered in English RS-land Thurs. – Sca (talk) 14:03, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Weak oppose Doesn’t seem to meet notability standards. One attack as part of the greater ongoing conflict(s) in Syria and Iraq. The Kip (talk) 15:08, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose — Doesn't seem notable, even barring issues that I have with the article itself and the blurb. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 16:25, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
Mario Draghi
Blurb: Mario Draghi resigns as the Prime Minister of Italy. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:
- Nominated by 4iamking (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Nominator's comments: Italy's revolving door of prime ministers continues.... 🌈 4🧚♂am KING 👑 11:35, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Comment - I feel like the time to post this would have been when he announced his resignation. That said, no opposition to posting this now.--🌈WaltCip-(talk) 12:10, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- This appears to be on his announcement, turning over his intent to resign to the President. He's being asked to stay in that position as caretaken until the next PM is named. Masem (t) 12:16, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- So probably, similar to the Boris situation, it should be announces his intention to resign or similar. — Amakuru (talk) 12:20, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- he did resign, the president then asked him to take over in a caretaker role. Boris isn't leading a caretaker government (since there hasn't been a vote of no confidence against his government) so thats the difference. 🌈 4🧚♂am KING 👑 12:26, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- So probably, similar to the Boris situation, it should be announces his intention to resign or similar. — Amakuru (talk) 12:20, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- This appears to be on his announcement, turning over his intent to resign to the President. He's being asked to stay in that position as caretaken until the next PM is named. Masem (t) 12:16, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Wait – Until Italy gets a new prime minister. (There have been 70 Italian PMs since WWII). – Sca (talk) 12:34, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Wait per Sca. Our standard practice is to post the change, not the resignation, so let's wait until the name of the new prime minister is known (the case of Boris Johnson is an unfortunate exception and should not be considered a rule).--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 12:40, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, unfortunately generating a lot of ephemeral copy. -- Sca (talk) 12:44, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- These "exceptions" seem to always favor Anglo-centrism (notice we posted May and Cameron, too). The rationale for posting UK and not posting others is always different, but the result is always the same. GreatCaesarsGhost 17:53, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, unfortunately generating a lot of ephemeral copy. -- Sca (talk) 12:44, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Wait until replacement is announced. After all, he tried to resign a week or two ago, and it got rejected, so absolutely no certainty right now that he'll end up being replaced. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:44, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Wait per Sca and etc. above. -Ad Orientem (talk) 14:17, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- I don't know what we have to wait for if the vast majority of editors supported without "waiting" the nomination on Boris Johnson's resignation. As I prefer to be congruent and not consider as precedent the posting of BJ's resignation, I oppose this one and effectively wait for Draghi's successor, or for the snap election that have already been called. _-_Alsor (talk) 16:08, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- I still think we would have right to wait for Boris Johnson too, but people didn't agree... Joseph2302 (talk) 16:22, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Perhaps 'twas the entertainment factor. -- Sca (talk) 19:26, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- I still think we would have right to wait for Boris Johnson too, but people didn't agree... Joseph2302 (talk) 16:22, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support per the Boris precedent. I'd argue the real news is the resignation anyway, not the inevitable successor (resignation = unexpected, new PM = expected). YD407OTZ (talk) 16:48, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- This is automatically ITNR with a new PM though. And Boris and the Twitter acquisition are not good examples or precedents to create or follow. Gotitbro (talk) 19:52, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Comment From the point of view of a parliamentary democracy, we've seen the coalition lose support in parliament, and a new election is now underway. Normally we don't post stuff when a government falls. So what is his position within his own party? Is there any chance he could remain PM after the election? Johnson is a bit of a different process. The UK government itself is stable; but the party leader himself has resigned in shame in the midst of several scandals. Many of Johnson's scandals were themselves arguably ITN events, but none achieved consensus - so with the camel's back broken ... A more orderly transfer of power, such as when Blair announced he'd resign, would likely not be as notable. Nfitz (talk) 20:47, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
RD: An An
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
- Nominated by Count Iblis (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Ckh3111 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Count Iblis (talk) 10:25, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- This stubby wikibio currently has less than 200 words of prose. Anything more to write about this panda? --PFHLai (talk) 11:08, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Comment – Meh. – Sca (talk) 12:35, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Not Ready Too stubby. -Ad Orientem (talk) 14:19, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose I think I will delete the "other panda" part that has nothing to do with this panda, which will make the article shorter. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:07, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
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RD: Judith Stamm
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [https://www.tagblatt.ch/news-service/vermischtes-people/persoenlichkeit-vorkaempferin-fuer-frauenrechte-alt-nationalraetin-judith-stamm-verstorben-ld.2319957
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Nominator's comments: Major Women's rights politician of Switzerland, one of the first woman presidents of the Swiss National Council. Paradise Chronicle (talk) 07:04, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
RD: Peter Inge, Baron Inge
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Telegraph
Credits:
- Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Field Marshal Lord Inge, former head of the Armed Forces in the UK. Wikibio looks already ready for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 05:11, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support article is good enough for RD. Maybe post it as "Peter Inge" to take up less space on RD (and because adding Baron Inge seems to violate MOS:HONORIFIC). Joseph2302 (talk) 13:05, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Ruslana Pysanka
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): babel.ua and others
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Ukrainian actress who died in Germany as a refugee. Article was old but a stub, more detail welcome. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:45, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support Sufficient. Grimes2 (talk) 09:03, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Weak Support Short but minimally adequate. -Ad Orientem (talk)
- Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 23:21, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Patrick Michaels
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Washington Post
Credits:
- Nominated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Died on the 16th, however his death was announced today. Article updated and well sourced --> --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 09:38, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support no issues. Ready to go. _-_Alsor (talk) 20:02, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 05:38, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
(Posted) Election of Ranil Wickremesinghe
Blurb: Ranil Wickremesinghe is elected as the ninth president of Sri Lanka by the Parliament amid protests over the ongoing economic crisis (Post)
Alternative blurb: Ranil Wickremesinghe is elected to replace Gotabaya Rajapaksa as President of Sri Lanka amid protests over the ongoing economic crisis
Alternative blurb II: Ranil Wickremesinghe is elected by parliament as President of Sri Lanka replacing Gotabaya Rajapaksa amid protests over the ongoing economic crisis
News source(s): BBC, Aljazeera, Reuters, AP, Guardian
Credits:
- Nominated by Blackknight12 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Election of a new Head of State, developing story in the Flight and Resignation of Gotabaya Rajapaksa, the 2022 Sri Lankan political crisis, 2019–present Sri Lankan economic crisis and 2022 Sri Lankan protests, Blackknight12 (talk) 08:15, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support article looks good enough, has some aftermath, and more can be added once it happens. This is a change of head of state (according to President of Sri Lanka), so is ITNR unless I'm mistaken. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:40, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- And I would suggest this replaces the older Sri Lankan blurb, even though that is not the oldest blurb on the front page. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:41, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- And mention the crisis somewhere in the blurb for context. Tone 09:31, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- And I would suggest this replaces the older Sri Lankan blurb, even though that is not the oldest blurb on the front page. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:41, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- Comment Doubtful that this will change the course of protests much, considering Wickremesinghe is considered by the protesters to be part of the problem. The big story is the protests and we have to see how they will develop with this news, so i'll say wait. 🌈 4🧚♂am KING 👑 09:51, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- The election result/change of head of state is WP:ITNR, and so the only relevant factor is article quality, not whatever other related articles exist. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:27, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- i'm only saying if we are replacing the blurb which had the protests bolded, we should see how the protests develop first. Its worth nothing that he is the former prime minister. 🌈 4🧚♂am KING 👑 15:54, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- The election result/change of head of state is WP:ITNR, and so the only relevant factor is article quality, not whatever other related articles exist. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:27, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- Comment We should definitely note and make a distinction that this was not a general election but an internal government one, otherwise it sounds like he has the support of the electorate which he certainly does not. Added altblurb2 Abcmaxx (talk) 10:51, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support – Widely reported on Wed. High time to rejuvenate grossly outdated 10-day-old blurb. – Sca (talk) 12:50, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- Posting/updating the existing blurb. --Tone 15:11, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
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RD: Charles Johnson (wide receiver, born 1972)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NBC Sports, WNCN
Credits:
- Nominated by Sportsfangnome (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Had 1,000 yards receiving in a single season, had a 9 year career. Sportsfangnome
- Oppose his professional career has two sentences, and only mentions his debut season. Information on the other 8 seasons is needed. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:00, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
RD: Michael Henderson
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Stereogum
Credits:
- Nominated by Kafoxe (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Psssstheycmere (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Jazz/funk/R&B musician. Kafoxe (talk) 02:20, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- Not Ready Orange tagged in the collaborations section. Otherwise doesn't look too bad. -Ad Orientem (talk) 14:22, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
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RD: Hans-Joachim Hespos
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): SWR and others
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Grimes2 (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Selftaught experimental composer whose works were performed internationally, high awards. He had a practically ref-less article. There's much more in the new refs, especially about teaching (and more awards), and the German Wikipedia has a complete list of his works, but I have to leave him for now to prepare vacation. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:18, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Larry Jeffrey
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [4][5]
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- Updated and nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Saksapoiss (talk · give credit)
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– Muboshgu (talk) 20:59, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support good enough for RD, the career section covers all of his career which is good. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:02, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 11:42, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Claes Oldenburg
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT
Credits:
- Nominated by Sdkb (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Major death in the art world; made an NYT breaking news push alert. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 17:07, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support Undoubtedly, the person is notable and that the article is well sourced.
- Prodrummer619 (talk) 07:39, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- Two cn tags need to be resolved, the rest is good. Tone 08:45, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support
Done Grimes2 (talk) 11:44, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support
- Two cn tags need to be resolved, the rest is good. Tone 08:45, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- Posting. --Tone 12:37, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
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(Closed) Greenwood Mall shooting (U.S.)
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Blurb: In Greenwood, Indiana, four people are killed in a mass shooting at the Greenwood Park Mall. (Post)
Alternative blurb: A lone gunman halts a mass shooting at the Greenwood Park Mall in Greenwood, Indiana, by shooting and killing the perpetrator.
News source(s): Indy Star, NYT
Credits:
- Nominated by WaltCip (talk · give credit)
- Created by Silent-Rains (talk · give credit)
- Wait The article is still a stub, and it's not clear yet whether this will get the sort of coverage that will make it ITN-significant. I get the "good guy with a gun" angle, but I'm still doubtful as to whether this will last beyond the 24 hour news cycle. That's in sharp contrast to the Uvalve school shooting and the police response, which is still generating headlines today due to the release of a damning report. Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:46, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose. This doesn't meet the usual minimum death threshold and is also yet another US shooting, which has been discussed ad nauseam; and gunman shot by another gunman or not, this is simply too commonplace to post each and every one. — Amakuru (talk) 13:50, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- Strong oppose no, you don't have to nominate every single shooting that occurs in America. Don't waste our time. We need to know what the consensus is in Candidates on these events. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 13:55, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose as per the above points, not important enough for ITN. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:23, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose This is the type of routine crime in the US that doesn't have a long term impact. --Masem (t) 14:23, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose - and the nom, even if I am sympathetic to the motivation, appears to be a straightforward POINT violation. If you dont think it belongs here then dont nominate it. nableezy - 14:37, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- I do think it belongs here. 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 14:40, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- Ah well, I misread the best way to demonstrate the newsworthiness of specific mass shootings is to nominate all of them that might occur so as to provide an opportunity to compare and contrast. I thought this so obviously failed the requirements that it was one of those meant to compare and contrast with the ones that garner more attention and merit consideration here. Never mind then, oppose as routine, Cam'ron has a line about this that I cant quote here, but along the lines of some things happen everyday. nableezy - 14:46, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, I do think we should be more proactive in nominating mass shootings, but I also believe this one is a rare example of one that has a low death toll but still an unusual impact. I believe this will do more to alter the conversation about gun control in the United States than any of the more recent shootings, since politicians can now point to this and say that this is an example of how concealed carry prevents further deaths. 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 14:48, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- Ah well, I misread the best way to demonstrate the newsworthiness of specific mass shootings is to nominate all of them that might occur so as to provide an opportunity to compare and contrast. I thought this so obviously failed the requirements that it was one of those meant to compare and contrast with the ones that garner more attention and merit consideration here. Never mind then, oppose as routine, Cam'ron has a line about this that I cant quote here, but along the lines of some things happen everyday. nableezy - 14:46, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- I do think it belongs here. 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 14:40, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- Comment Describing an armed civilian who halted a mass shooting as "another gunman" or a "lone gunman" is horrendously misleading. Kafoxe (talk) 14:38, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- Agree. In a way, I am surprised this has not happened before. Of am I just being naive? Martinevans123 (talk) 15:39, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose, I agree that this is a kind of routine crime in U.S. Alex-h (talk) 14:41, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
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- Clarfication: "
may actually work in favor of 2nd Amendment proponents
" - is this part of the nomination, or not? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:55, 18 July 2022 (UTC)- Just as a note that I didn't hat your post, but yes, that observation is a bit crystal-bally, I admit. 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 15:02, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose I, an editor who supports most U.S. mass shootings that are nominated here, do not think that this shooting rises to the level of posting, based on what I know at this time. – Muboshgu (talk) 14:53, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose. Tragic for those involved, but sadly shootings with 4 deaths are a common occurrence in the US. Modest Genius talk 15:04, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) (I experienced an edit conflict with the closure of this section - but am adding my comment anyway) - Weak oppose I'm not sure this one stands out enough in light of other recent shootings like the ones in Buffalo, Uvalde, and Highland Park, or the Indianapolis FedEx shooting last year. (This is despite the fact that I live near this mall and shop there frequently - and this event is horrific.) That said, I think it's time we seriously consider putting List of mass shootings in the United States in 2022 into Ongoing, and I would support a proposal to do that. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 15:48, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Jessie Duarte
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): IOL, M&G
Credits:
- Updated by Bobbyshabangu (talk · give credit) and Axxter99 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Yasmin "Jessie" Duarte was an anti-apartheid activist. Became Deputy Secretary-General of the African National Congress in 2012. Needs more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 10:26, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support - per nominator's comment. Alex-h (talk) 15:58, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support - Looks to be in good condition. rooves (talk) 21:29, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 23:40, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
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RD: Gerald Shargel
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:
- Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Thriley (talk) 06:17, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Ángela Abós Ballarín
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Heraldo de Aragón Diario del AltoAragón
Credits:
- Created and nominated by Curbon7 (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Curbon7 (talk) 04:56, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support short, but good to go. _-_Alsor (talk) 09:44, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support good enough for RD, have marked as ready. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:51, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 11:41, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Wakanohana Kanji II
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Jiji Press, Nikkan Sports
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Pawnkingthree (talk · give credit)
- Updated by JRHorse (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Former sumo yokozuna. Died on the 16th, reported on the 18th. Pawnkingthree (talk) 15:52, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support Very well referenced. Kafoxe (talk) 16:09, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support Solid article. Grimes2 (talk) 16:32, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 23:45, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Hobie Billingsley
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Indianapolis Star; The Daily Hoosier
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Bloom6132 (talk) 01:53, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- Long enough to qualify (500+ words of prose), with no concerns with formatting or footnote deployment, and Earwig has found nothing wrong, this wikibio is READY for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 03:35, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 06:43, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
(Posted) European heat wave & wildfires
Blurb: A historic heat wave across Europe causes at least 281 fatalities and causes the United Kingdom’s first red extreme heat warning to be issued. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Record-breaking heat waves and wildfires severely affect Europe.
Alternative blurb II: The Met Office issues the first ever red extreme heat warning in the United Kingdom amid a heat wave across Europe.
Alternative blurb III: A heat wave across Western Europe leaves more than 500 people dead.
News source(s): (BBC), Guardian, DW
Credits:
- Nominated by Elijahandskip (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: Not really sure how to do a blurb for this since it spans so many countries, which each have historic things happening. It seems that two main parts to this heat wave are significant international news. (1): 281 fatalities and (2) the UK’s first ever red extreme heat warning. Fully open to alternative blurbs, but both of those seem to be the largest significant events for this heat wave. Elijahandskip (talk) 20:12, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support because combined with 2022 European wildfires, it's important enough. Jim Michael 2 (talk) 20:26, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support in principle but this needs some restructuring and/or splitting. There are two distinct heat waves involved in this article and both have had/are having massive impacts. The one last month killed well over 1,000 people while the ongoing one is over 300 deaths (I'm seeing conflicting totals, but the most consistent I've found is 238 in Portugal and 84 in Spain). The wildfires might be worth adding to the blurb if that article can be cleaned up. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 20:32, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- I've gone ahead and split the pages and provided a less country-specific altblurb. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 20:42, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality. Significance is a no-brainer. GreatCaesarsGhost 20:52, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
Opposealso on quality. Seems like there is a mix of different articles covering the same/similar events. Several of the wikilinks in the blurbs provided are redirects to past (June 2022) events. Re-nominate once fixed. Polyamorph (talk) 21:08, 16 July 2022 (UTC)- Change to Support - quality is still not great but at least the article is stable now. It is significant.Polyamorph (talk) 14:15, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- Nominator comment: No one else support or oppose for a while. Someone split the June and July articles without any discussions, so a bunch of wikilinks got messed up. Elijahandskip (talk) 22:08, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- Comment Any blurb that is calling out the special warning/situation in the UK is not going to be appropriate, the entire Western Europe region is affected. --Masem (t) 22:31, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
OpposeComment – Not to mention many other places. Where I live in the U.S., it's 102F (39C) late Sat. afternoon. It's been like this all week. If we had a good worldwide roundup that might be approp. – Sca (talk) 22:40, 16 July 2022 (UTC)- To be fair the heat wave in EU is from one/two closely tied weather systems, whereas in the middle of summer of the US it's just warmer, and there are not mass deaths from it. Masem (t) 22:42, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- Not suggesting the U.S. is particularly notable, although for the past couple weeks it's been unusually warm in the West. The overall point is it's hot in many regions beside Europe. -- Sca (talk) 22:52, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- The distinction is Europe very rarely gets this sort of temperature. This is more newsworthy the same way a flood somewhere that has never flooded before and is in an area where a flood couldn't usually reach would be more newsworthy than a flood in an area that floods once a year. That is how news works, after all. --2001:8003:1C20:8C00:E118:40C3:CEF3:344 (talk) 02:20, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
- By that same coin, the impact seems to be far more on the Iberian than Western European in general. GreatCaesarsGhost 12:20, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
- Not suggesting the U.S. is particularly notable, although for the past couple weeks it's been unusually warm in the West. The overall point is it's hot in many regions beside Europe. -- Sca (talk) 22:52, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- To be fair the heat wave in EU is from one/two closely tied weather systems, whereas in the middle of summer of the US it's just warmer, and there are not mass deaths from it. Masem (t) 22:42, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support Heatwave, even just for July, has ~600 deaths. The 2021 Western North American heat wave was posted at 103. This makes it one of, if not the, deadliest weather event of 2022. The ongoing heat in the United States is just a typical summer heat wave, this could be the continent’s worst since 1757. I would also like to add that the issues with the links is resolved, so I would ask those users to reconsider their votes now. I oppose mentioning the UK in the title though, and would go far enough to say it should be merged with the July heatwave article. 47.21.202.18 (talk) 22:50, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- You can't really compare a western North America heatwave to those places that have heat waves with a lot of deaths (like central and eastern North America where thousands if not tens of thousands die). The humidity remains low during western heat waves - which is also what is being seen currently in much of Western Europe. The death from heat waves normally requires high humidity as well. I expect part of the reason that Europe's deaths are higher than one might expect is because of a lack of preparedness, air conditioning, cooling centres, and experience with such conditions. Nfitz (talk) 10:20, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality. Will try to work on that now though, definitely worthy of posting otherwise. nableezy - 01:45, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality, but does definitely deserve a blurb. Massive event, lots of fatalities and unusual for the region. Just needs more information and it's good to go. echidnaLives (talk) 08:09, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality and to talk about the heat wave and mention only one country is to ignore what is happening. The Iberian Peninsula is being affected by historic fires in all its extension and with temperature records also historic. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 09:27, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
- Comment – Widely covered Sunday: AP, BBC, Guardian, Reuters. Bears watching. – Sca (talk) 12:44, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
- Definitely see coverage to make this an ITN item, but the article presently sucks and fails to cover all problems going on, nor why its happening (being attributing it to global warming). Should be treated similar to any weather-disaster related article. --Masem (t) 14:15, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
- Compris. -- Sca (talk) 19:38, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
- Definitely see coverage to make this an ITN item, but the article presently sucks and fails to cover all problems going on, nor why its happening (being attributing it to global warming). Should be treated similar to any weather-disaster related article. --Masem (t) 14:15, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support, The ongoing heatwave in different countries and its death toll should appear in ITN. Alex-h (talk) 15:52, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support - The heatwave is being covered by many reliable news outlets like CNN, BBC, The Economist, and the Associated Press. Hemanth Nalluri 11 (talk) 20:57, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support - Events like this rarely happen, especially with such high death tolls. This should make ITN. rooves (talk) 21:30, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support - I just read this hours old NYT article. The article needs work but it will improve. Clearly ITN-worthy story. Biggest problem in my view is that there are other similar articles covering different aspects and countries. Merger proposals are pending. Still, lets post it. This story is not going away. Jusdafax (talk) 22:22, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
- Alas, substandard prose and/or structure shouldn't be presented on the Main Page just to get it into the box. Not a ticker, etc. -- Sca (talk) 22:49, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support important enough, and July 2022 European heat wave is good enough article quality, notwithstanding any possible article merges (which would create a better article anyway). Joseph2302 (talk) 07:55, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support if the issue is too many events rolled into one article, then I suggest a split but leave the current page
and transform it into a disambiguation page linking to all the splits. Abcmaxx (talk) 11:49, 18 July 2022 (UTC)- actually 2003 European heat wave, 2006 European heat wave, and 2018 European heat wave all set a good precedent on how it should look.Abcmaxx (talk) 11:57, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- Comment – Monday coverage: AP, BBC, Guardian, Reuters. – Sca (talk) 12:51, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- They are all very reliable news sources. Hemanth Nalluri 11 (talk) 12:54, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- The Guardian article is somewhat closer to being a roundup, with mentions of Morocco and even China lower down. Ed's note says Reuters, AP and AFP contributed to the report. -- Sca (talk) 15:03, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- They are all very reliable news sources. Hemanth Nalluri 11 (talk) 12:54, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- Weak support. I'll declare a possible CoI, as my location seems to have broken the UK record today and the temperature is still climbing. The article is an underwhelming list of not-very-related impacts, and could do with more attention to the wildfires, but does meet our minimum requirements. The event itself seems significant enough, and we've gone a week with no new blurbs. This isn't great but is good enough to post, hence weak support. Modest Genius talk 15:09, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support in principle - articles do need work but definitely news-worthy enough to warrant a blurb XxLuckyCxX (talk) 15:46, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- I want to post these, but the quality is lacking. The WP:PROSELINE really needs to be addressed, some places need fleshing out, and I wonder if reorganizing the articles would help. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:56, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose - this is very Euro-centric, despite there being extreme heat and fires in parts of Africa and also Alaska - among other places. I think there needs to be a more global view. Nfitz (talk) 21:12, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- Well, the Alaska heat will likely be dismissed by some as too America-centric, particularly since the areas that do get anomalous heat are sparsely inhabited (same for Siberia a few days ago). As for Africa, it doesn't look like Africa is undergoing one currently - a search about Ethiopia does not give me coverage about the heat wave; most of the other heat is in the Sahara, where few people live anyway, while the southern hemisphere is in winter season right now. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 02:00, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- The non-sparsely populated parts of Alaska are also seeing heat, @Szmenderowiecki:. African fires and heat have been widely reported. There was extreme heat last month in Iran. Meanwhile there is currently extreme heat in China. That Nasa article in the last link is a much better basis for an ITN article than one that restricts itself to a regional issue. Looking deeper, there is extreme heat in southwestern parts of the United States, and it looks like western Canada may be next. The media doesn't tend to get as wound up in North America, until town and cities start burning down. Many more people in the impacted areas have air conditioning - and most residential houses have basements. This is far more than just western Europe. There's widescale WP:BIAS in only reporting this about Europe. Nfitz (talk) 10:15, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- The ping didn't work for whatever reason? Anyway, all of these examples should have had their articles done and proposed here. Btw, the heat in Europe is in fact from Western Sahara, which includes Morocco, so these are connected issues. As for Iran and China, definitely should have been proposed here but weren't AFAIK, because there were no articles written about those heat waves. Ultimately it isn't about us preferring to promote European topics on ITN and more about people don't caring to write the articles about areas outside EU/US, which is a problem of our user base in general (admittedly I'm part of it, because most things I wrote of so far were connected to Europe or Canada).
- As for the US and Canada, I am looking at these and apparently all-time heat records were at best tied as in Salt Lake City, so unless there are numerous casualties, or towns burning, the ITN posting of these extreme events is right now unclear. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 10:59, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- Let's try pinging you like this, User:Szmenderowiecki, which is what I've done for a decade+ before I was told it never worked! I don't see where the Salt Lake City information is coming from - and I thought the worst heat was further west (and north). Many heat records in British Columbia were completely shattered - though it was the massive extent and damage of the fires that were most notable. Nfitz (talk) 20:01, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- The ping works!
- I mean, the Salt Lake City stuff if from just two days ago, but even if it broke the record, I don't think that alone it would qualify. I am not aware of any recent heat advisories for BC, or the Pacific Northwest in general (the last one I can find was from three weeks ago), but obviously this does not qualify for ITN. If the territorial all time highs are broken in Yukon or NWT or Nunavut, then I think it might be postable given that we are speaking of Arctic regions.
- Also, my criteria are these: a national record is set; a record for a large state/territory/oblast is set and coupled with some unusual disasters; or the heat wave brings about a lot of mayhem and deaths. So the last year's heat wave in BC would qualify because it obliterated the previous all-time high record in Canada; this heat wave would also qualify; the heatwave from May would also qualify as unusually early. On the other hand, snow in Brazil, as it happened in May, would IMHO also be fine to mention here. More climate news - the climate crisis is there after all! Szmenderowiecki (talk) 01:09, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- I don't think there's been much heat worth mentioning this month in most of North America - record highs happen all the time with climate change - heck, we got one here today in Toronto - but the humidity isn't brutal yet with a dew point of 17C, so it's not a big concern or notable (though still feels warmer than London - where the dew point 8C at 1 pm BST!). It's Africa and Asia that are seeing extremes. Though that might change in North America looking at the 2 to 4 week forecasts - more so in the West. I'm all in favour of an ITN though - but including at least Asia and northern Africa. Nfitz (talk) 01:31, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- On that we agree. Just the articles should be there. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 02:28, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- I don't think there's been much heat worth mentioning this month in most of North America - record highs happen all the time with climate change - heck, we got one here today in Toronto - but the humidity isn't brutal yet with a dew point of 17C, so it's not a big concern or notable (though still feels warmer than London - where the dew point 8C at 1 pm BST!). It's Africa and Asia that are seeing extremes. Though that might change in North America looking at the 2 to 4 week forecasts - more so in the West. I'm all in favour of an ITN though - but including at least Asia and northern Africa. Nfitz (talk) 01:31, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- Let's try pinging you like this, User:Szmenderowiecki, which is what I've done for a decade+ before I was told it never worked! I don't see where the Salt Lake City information is coming from - and I thought the worst heat was further west (and north). Many heat records in British Columbia were completely shattered - though it was the massive extent and damage of the fires that were most notable. Nfitz (talk) 20:01, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- The non-sparsely populated parts of Alaska are also seeing heat, @Szmenderowiecki:. African fires and heat have been widely reported. There was extreme heat last month in Iran. Meanwhile there is currently extreme heat in China. That Nasa article in the last link is a much better basis for an ITN article than one that restricts itself to a regional issue. Looking deeper, there is extreme heat in southwestern parts of the United States, and it looks like western Canada may be next. The media doesn't tend to get as wound up in North America, until town and cities start burning down. Many more people in the impacted areas have air conditioning - and most residential houses have basements. This is far more than just western Europe. There's widescale WP:BIAS in only reporting this about Europe. Nfitz (talk) 10:15, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support but wait. Looking back into archives, the 2021 Western North America heat wave got published, though IMHO I'd much prefer to cite actual temperatures and record highs for countries, rather than simply saying that there is an extreme heat wave which kills people and damages infrastructure - both seem sort of obvious. Today some of the worst roasting is expected in the UK, so I'd post the updated info Tuesday evening; also, Belgium and the Netherlands might also get a lot of record temps. Also, we need to explain what the "red alerts" about heat are supposed to mean if we are to post them. So focus on the gist - temperatures, and possibly the number of dead/estimated losses. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 02:00, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support in principle under the effective consensus already present. DarkSide830 (talk) 03:27, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- Comment – Tuesday: [6] [7] [8] [9] – Sca (talk) 12:45, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- I'm sure this would have been posted days ago if it were in North America... Although admittedly not been helped by many article splits/merges, the article that exists now seems fine, and more than good enough for ITN (where we often post way poorer quality articles than this one). And actual records are being broken as we speak, don't get why this is still being held up. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:00, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- By tomorrow it will be yesterday's news. Quality has been the biggest hold up, most agree on the significance to post. When I opposed the links all pointed in different directions, merges were happening. It is now more stable. Quality is still not great but I've changed my oppose to support. Polyamorph (talk) 14:15, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- There is no need to suggest bad faith here. The target remains in horrible condition. It's not so much an encyclopedia article as it is a list of facts we might later use to compose an article. GreatCaesarsGhost 16:24, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality and also on scope - much of the article is just unstructured bullet points, e.g. Spain's jUly heatwave. Furthermore, as noted above by Nfitz, this same heat wave extends into North Africa and mention should be made of what's happened there, for completeness. — Amakuru (talk) 13:24, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- Agree. If a reasonably descriptive section on N. Africa could be added, this might serve as an acceptable modus vivendi to avoid ignoring the No.1 story after Rukraine. -- Sca (talk) 14:16, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support, in principle, a mix of Alt Blurbs 1 and 3; last year's heat dome over the Rockies got posted, after all, which was less impactful in the end. Sceptre (talk) 16:19, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- Less impactful, @Sceptre:? In the centre of the event it hit 49.6 °C (121.3 °F), destroying an entire town. The Lytton wildfire alone was about 84,000 hectares - ten times the size I'm seeing reported for fires in Spain; and there were much larger fires than Lytton - some also with their own articles. You could smell the smoke a thousand miles away - and there's no way that's even factored into the excess deaths. Nfitz (talk) 20:01, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support on notability. It's getting there on quality, I think it'd benefit from some changes to its structuring (too many sentences use format
On July <date>, this happened
), but the contents itself are sourced bar a few sentences that I noticed. Not too far from being ready. Vanilla Wizard 💙 19:20, 19 July 2022 (UTC) - Support Highly unusual event that is getting major news coverage globally. -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:22, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- Comment - shouldn't some of the linked articles be the very poorly written Heat waves of 2022 and perhaps Wildfires in 2022? I'm opposed to posting this as is, just referencing one region, but in the bigger picture it's notable. And perhaps Anthropogenic climate change be ongoing - which seems redirected to a poor name. Perhaps a relatively easy fix is changing blurb I from Record-breaking heat waves and wildfires severely affect Europe. to Record-breaking heat waves and wildfires severely affect Europe and across the Northern Hemisphere, and improve Heat waves of 2022; Heat waves of 2021 is in better shape (though could still have done with some work). Nfitz (talk) 20:01, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- I just came across this very good, new, article which looks at the whole thing in a much more global, and less sensational way. Might be used to improve the article(s). I wonder if there'll be something in Thursday's hardcopy version of the newspaper. Nfitz (talk) 22:06, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- I would strongly support linking Anthropogenic climate change in ongoing, although I think the required discussion isn't well suited to this page; an RfC at WT:In the news/Candidates might be the best place. BilledMammal (talk) 02:11, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support — Significant event, must post. STSC (talk) 02:29, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 06:03, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
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(Posted) RD: José Ramón Balaguer
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Associated Press; CE Noticias Financieras English
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Bloom6132 (talk) 04:15, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- This wikibio is long enough to qualify (500+ words of prose). Footnotes can be found at expected spots. There are no concerns with formatting. And Earwig has found nothing wrong. This is READY for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 05:33, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 02:30, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
RD: Pratap Pothen
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Times of India
Credits:
- Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Pachu Kannan (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 16:57, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- The Filmography is unsourced, so is about half of the Awards and Nominations section. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 18:59, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose per above, Filmography still unsourced.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 15:52, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
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