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*'''Oppose''' per notability requirements per Joseph2302. [[User:Carter00000|Carter00000]] ([[User talk:Carter00000|talk]]) 12:20, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per notability requirements per Joseph2302. [[User:Carter00000|Carter00000]] ([[User talk:Carter00000|talk]]) 12:20, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
* '''Comment''' – Meh, per ''Joseph''. – [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 12:44, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
* '''Comment''' – Meh, per ''Joseph''. – [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 12:44, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
*'''Support''' One of the largest freshwater fish in the world? And morphologically unique? This is an extinction of huge value and should definitely be reported. -- [[User:Maykii|Maykii]] ([[User talk:Maykii|talk]]) 14:32, 22 July 2022 (UTC)


==== (Posted) RD: Uwe Seeler ====
==== (Posted) RD: Uwe Seeler ====

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Chinese paddlefish

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Article: Chinese paddlefish (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Chinese paddlefish, one of the world's largest freshwater fish species, is officially declared extinct by the International Union for Conservation of Nature. (Post)
News source(s): [1], [2], [3]
Credits:
Article updated

Nominator's comments: The species was officially declared extinct by the IUCN today. Zach Varmitech (talk) 22:44, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose The article says it was officially declared extinct in 2019. Thryduulf (talk) 23:31, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    That wasn't quite official. The 2019 Chinese paper only recommended that the IUCN list the fish as extinct, and did not have the power to actually do so — the IUCN has the final word on that. And though the IUCN agreed to list it extinct, the actual listing wasn't done until now. Zach Varmitech (talk) 23:54, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Significant development in wildlife conservation. Media/press reports are current and indicate that the official status was only just changed. Article appears to be in decent shape. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:24, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support as this is excellent ITN material of high encyclopedic value.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 09:57, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality The description section needs ref work before posting. Once this is fixed, I would fully support this. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 10:09, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose thousands of species go extinct every year, it's not clear to me why this extinction is anything extraordinary, and therefore ITN worthy. Also, article quality is an issue too: the article has lots of content about the 2022 extinction in the lead that isn't in the main body of the article (and thus seems to violate MOS:LEAD), and has an orange tagged section. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:17, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    A possible notability argument could be the flagship species case, however, it does not seem from the article that any conservation efforts were taken specifically for this species. In general, I'd support mentioning of extinct species as long as the article is in a good shape. Tone 12:29, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The Chinese paddlefish was one of only two species of paddlefish in the entire world, with the fossil record of paddlefish stretching back over 120 million years into the Early Cretaceous. It had also probably been divergent from the American paddlefish, from which is strongly distinct in morphology and diet, for many tens of millions of years. It's not just some random lake chicilid with hundreds of other species like it, but almost one of a kind. Hemiauchenia (talk) 13:27, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support It's not just this species. The full announcement says "The global sturgeon reassessment published today reveals that 100% of the world’s remaining 26 sturgeon species are now at risk of extinction, up from 85% in 2009. The assessments are based on refined calculations which show their decline over the past three generations to be steeper than previously thought. The Yangtze Sturgeon (Acipenser dabryanus) has moved from Critically Endangered to Extinct in the Wild, 17 species are now Critically Endangered, three are Endangered and five are Vulnerable on the IUCN Red List. The reassessment has also confirmed the extinction of the Chinese Paddlefish (Psephurus gladius)." Andrew🐉(talk) 11:38, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per notability requirements per Joseph2302. Carter00000 (talk) 12:20, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment – Meh, per Joseph. – Sca (talk) 12:44, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support One of the largest freshwater fish in the world? And morphologically unique? This is an extinction of huge value and should definitely be reported. -- Maykii (talk) 14:32, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Uwe Seeler

Article: Uwe Seeler (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Hamburger Abendblatt (de), NDR (de)
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Famous German footballer. Article needs a couple of sources but otherwise ready to go. SoWhy 15:25, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I think I added all the sources needed now. Regards SoWhy 15:31, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

India's new President: Draupadi Murmu

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Articles: Droupadi Murmu (talk · history · tag) and 2022 Indian presidential election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Droupadi Murmu elected as India's new President (Post)
Alternative blurb: Droupadi Murmu is elected as President of India
Alternative blurb II: Draupadi Murmu (pictured) is elected by the Parliament as the new President of India
News source(s): NDTV
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Start class, some work needed in sourcing. Venkat TL (talk) 15:02, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Linked. Thanks Venkat TL (talk) 15:41, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The election article quality has actually got worse since yesterday - all the prose has been removed, leaving just tables. Modest Genius talk 11:17, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment If we are to blurb her, we should probably mention she is the first tribal member elected President. -TenorTwelve (talk) 08:31, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose mainly on quality (there are unsourced statements like "Murmu, was criticized for her soft stand on police aggression against tribals during the movement." in her article, let alone bad English and grammar), but (b) I'm unconvinced that a ceremonial head of state that was only elected via an indirect election should be ITN. Black Kite (talk) 08:50, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    That statement you mention is actually sourced from the ref at the end of its paragraph. Also, I think we sometimes forget just how massive India is that one can become even slightly unconvinced of the significance of the first tribal woman President of India. This 'indirect election' involved more voters than scores of countries could even have. Droupadi Murmu's position as President is likely 10x more significant than the queen of england. –Jiaminglimjm (talk) 10:35, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    When you've got a whole paragraph sourced to a single source it needs to be made clearer on contentious material that this is the case, especially if it's "X accused Y of .." type stuff. Regardless, the whole article needs work (as does the election one). Black Kite (talk) 11:45, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    The population of India does not automatically increase the notability of otherwise non-notable events. --LaserLegs (talk) 11:44, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality The target article (2022 Indian presidential election) needs a lot of work done before it can be ITN ready. Once, fixed I would support and maybe mentioning Murmu being India's first tribal politician president might be worth mentioning IMO. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 10:02, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose powerless figurehead, the Prime Minister of India wields actual authority and there is no evidence that this appointment is anything other than routine - it is not noteworthy in any way. --LaserLegs (talk) 11:29, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment – The AP article notes that in India the presidency is a "largely ceremonial" position. – Sca (talk) 12:48, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Zakho Resort Attack

Article: Zakho resort attack (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Nine civillians killed in an attack on Zakho resort in Duhok governorate in Iraqi Kurdistan (Post)
News source(s): BBC Arabic; NY Times
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Mario Draghi

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Article: Mario Draghi (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Mario Draghi resigns as the Prime Minister of Italy. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Italy's revolving door of prime ministers continues.... 🌈  4🧚‍♂am KING 👑  11:35, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment - I feel like the time to post this would have been when he announced his resignation. That said, no opposition to posting this now.--🌈WaltCip-(talk) 12:10, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    This appears to be on his announcement, turning over his intent to resign to the President. He's being asked to stay in that position as caretaken until the next PM is named. Masem (t) 12:16, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    So probably, similar to the Boris situation, it should be announces his intention to resign or similar.  — Amakuru (talk) 12:20, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    he did resign, the president then asked him to take over in a caretaker role. Boris isn't leading a caretaker government (since there hasn't been a vote of no confidence against his government) so thats the difference. 🌈  4🧚‍♂am KING 👑  12:26, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait – Until Italy gets a new prime minister. (There have been 70 Italian PMs since WWII). – Sca (talk) 12:34, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait per Sca. Our standard practice is to post the change, not the resignation, so let's wait until the name of the new prime minister is known (the case of Boris Johnson is an unfortunate exception and should not be considered a rule).--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 12:40, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, unfortunately generating a lot of ephemeral copy. -- Sca (talk) 12:44, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    These "exceptions" seem to always favor Anglo-centrism (notice we posted May and Cameron, too). The rationale for posting UK and not posting others is always different, but the result is always the same. GreatCaesarsGhost 17:53, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait until replacement is announced. After all, he tried to resign a week or two ago, and it got rejected, so absolutely no certainty right now that he'll end up being replaced. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:44, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait per Sca and etc. above. -Ad Orientem (talk) 14:17, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't know what we have to wait for if the vast majority of editors supported without "waiting" the nomination on Boris Johnson's resignation. As I prefer to be congruent and not consider as precedent the posting of BJ's resignation, I oppose this one and effectively wait for Draghi's successor, or for the snap election that have already been called. _-_Alsor (talk) 16:08, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per the Boris precedent. I'd argue the real news is the resignation anyway, not the inevitable successor (resignation = unexpected, new PM = expected). YD407OTZ (talk) 16:48, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    This is automatically ITNR with a new PM though. And Boris and the Twitter acquisition are not good examples or precedents to create or follow. Gotitbro (talk) 19:52, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    WP:IAR -- Sca (talk) 12:51, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment From the point of view of a parliamentary democracy, we've seen the coalition lose support in parliament, and a new election is now underway. Normally we don't post stuff when a government falls. So what is his position within his own party? Is there any chance he could remain PM after the election? Johnson is a bit of a different process. The UK government itself is stable; but the party leader himself has resigned in shame in the midst of several scandals. Many of Johnson's scandals were themselves arguably ITN events, but none achieved consensus - so with the camel's back broken ... A more orderly transfer of power, such as when Blair announced he'd resign, would likely not be as notable. Nfitz (talk) 20:47, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: An An

Article: An An (giant panda) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Count Iblis (talk) 10:25, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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RD: Judith Stamm

Article: Judith Stamm (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [https://www.tagblatt.ch/news-service/vermischtes-people/persoenlichkeit-vorkaempferin-fuer-frauenrechte-alt-nationalraetin-judith-stamm-verstorben-ld.2319957
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Major Women's rights politician of Switzerland, one of the first woman presidents of the Swiss National Council. Paradise Chronicle (talk) 07:04, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Peter Inge, Baron Inge

Article: Peter Inge, Baron Inge (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Telegraph
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Field Marshal Lord Inge, former head of the Armed Forces in the UK. Wikibio looks already ready for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 05:11, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Ruslana Pysanka

Article: Ruslana Pysanka (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): babel.ua and others
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Ukrainian actress who died in Germany as a refugee. Article was old but a stub, more detail welcome. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:45, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Patrick Michaels

Article: Patrick Michaels (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Washington Post
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Died on the 16th, however his death was announced today. Article updated and well sourced --> --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 09:38, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Election of Ranil Wickremesinghe

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Article: 2022 Sri Lankan presidential election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Ranil Wickremesinghe is elected as the ninth president of Sri Lanka by the Parliament amid protests over the ongoing economic crisis (Post)
Alternative blurb: Ranil Wickremesinghe is elected to replace Gotabaya Rajapaksa as President of Sri Lanka amid protests over the ongoing economic crisis
Alternative blurb II: Ranil Wickremesinghe is elected by parliament as President of Sri Lanka replacing Gotabaya Rajapaksa amid protests over the ongoing economic crisis
News source(s): BBC, Aljazeera, Reuters, AP, Guardian
Credits:

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Election of a new Head of State, developing story in the Flight and Resignation of Gotabaya Rajapaksa, the 2022 Sri Lankan political crisis, 2019–present Sri Lankan economic crisis and 2022 Sri Lankan protestsBlackknight12 (talk) 08:15, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Doubtful that this will change the course of protests much, considering Wickremesinghe is considered by the protesters to be part of the problem. The big story is the protests and we have to see how they will develop with this news, so i'll say wait. 🌈  4🧚‍♂am KING 👑  09:51, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The election result/change of head of state is WP:ITNR, and so the only relevant factor is article quality, not whatever other related articles exist. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:27, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
i'm only saying if we are replacing the blurb which had the protests bolded, we should see how the protests develop first. Its worth nothing that he is the former prime minister. 🌈  4🧚‍♂am KING 👑  15:54, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

July 19

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  • Gazprom signs a memorandum of understanding for the development of Iranian oil and gas fields and related infrastructure worth $40 billion. (Reuters)
  • The European Commission proposes a new, joint defense procurement system for EU member states. It would be operational by the end of this year, with initial funding of 500 million. (AP)

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RD: Charles Johnson (wide receiver, born 1972)

Article: Charles Johnson (wide receiver, born 1972) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NBC Sports, WNCN
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Had 1,000 yards receiving in a single season, had a 9 year career. Sportsfangnome

RD: Michael Henderson

Article: Michael Henderson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Stereogum
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Jazz/funk/R&B musician. Kafoxe (talk) 02:20, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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RD: Hans-Joachim Hespos

Article: Hans-Joachim Hespos (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): SWR and others
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Selftaught experimental composer whose works were performed internationally, high awards. He had a practically ref-less article. There's much more in the new refs, especially about teaching (and more awards), and the German Wikipedia has a complete list of his works, but I have to leave him for now to prepare vacation. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:18, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Larry Jeffrey

Article: Larry Jeffrey (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [4][5]
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 – Muboshgu (talk) 20:59, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Claes Oldenburg

Article: Claes Oldenburg (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Major death in the art world; made an NYT breaking news push alert. {{u|Sdkb}}talk 17:07, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support Undoubtedly, the person is notable and that the article is well sourced.
Prodrummer619 (talk) 07:39, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Two cn tags need to be resolved, the rest is good. Tone 08:45, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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(Closed) Greenwood Mall shooting (U.S.)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.


Article: Greenwood Park Mall shooting (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In Greenwood, Indiana, four people are killed in a mass shooting at the Greenwood Park Mall. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ A lone gunman halts a mass shooting at the Greenwood Park Mall in Greenwood, Indiana, by shooting and killing the perpetrator.
News source(s): Indy Star, NYT
Credits:
Nominator's comments: I've said before that the best way to demonstrate the newsworthiness of specific mass shootings is to nominate all of them that might occur so as to provide an opportunity to compare and contrast. This particular shooting is especially unique because the gunman was shot and killed by another gunman in the vicinity. This does not happen often in the U.S., and may actually work in favor of 2nd Amendment proponents. 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 13:30, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait The article is still a stub, and it's not clear yet whether this will get the sort of coverage that will make it ITN-significant. I get the "good guy with a gun" angle, but I'm still doubtful as to whether this will last beyond the 24 hour news cycle. That's in sharp contrast to the Uvalve school shooting and the police response, which is still generating headlines today due to the release of a damning report. Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:46, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. This doesn't meet the usual minimum death threshold and is also yet another US shooting, which has been discussed ad nauseam; and gunman shot by another gunman or not, this is simply too commonplace to post each and every one.  — Amakuru (talk) 13:50, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong oppose no, you don't have to nominate every single shooting that occurs in America. Don't waste our time. We need to know what the consensus is in Candidates on these events. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 13:55, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose as per the above points, not important enough for ITN. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:23, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose This is the type of routine crime in the US that doesn't have a long term impact. --Masem (t) 14:23, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - and the nom, even if I am sympathetic to the motivation, appears to be a straightforward POINT violation. If you dont think it belongs here then dont nominate it. nableezy - 14:37, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I do think it belongs here. 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 14:40, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Ah well, I misread the best way to demonstrate the newsworthiness of specific mass shootings is to nominate all of them that might occur so as to provide an opportunity to compare and contrast. I thought this so obviously failed the requirements that it was one of those meant to compare and contrast with the ones that garner more attention and merit consideration here. Never mind then, oppose as routine, Cam'ron has a line about this that I cant quote here, but along the lines of some things happen everyday. nableezy - 14:46, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, I do think we should be more proactive in nominating mass shootings, but I also believe this one is a rare example of one that has a low death toll but still an unusual impact. I believe this will do more to alter the conversation about gun control in the United States than any of the more recent shootings, since politicians can now point to this and say that this is an example of how concealed carry prevents further deaths. 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 14:48, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Describing an armed civilian who halted a mass shooting as "another gunman" or a "lone gunman" is horrendously misleading. Kafoxe (talk) 14:38, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Agree. In a way, I am surprised this has not happened before. Of am I just being naive? Martinevans123 (talk) 15:39, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, I agree that this is a kind of routine crime in U.S. Alex-h (talk) 14:41, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Comment "may actually work in favor of 2nd Amendment proponents" Well yes, maybe, if they really want to prove themselves as mental defectives? Let's have more guns, in the hope that any mass shooter will be gunned down by another nearby gunman. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:44, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Jessie Duarte

Article: Jessie Duarte (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): IOL, M&G
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Yasmin "Jessie" Duarte was an anti-apartheid activist. Became Deputy Secretary-General of the African National Congress in 2012. Needs more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 10:26, 17 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

July 16

Armed conflicts and attacks

Disasters and accidents

International relations

Law and crime


RD: Gerald Shargel

Article: Gerald Shargel (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Thriley (talk) 06:17, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Ángela Abós Ballarín

Article: Ángela Abós Ballarín (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Heraldo de Aragón Diario del AltoAragón
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Curbon7 (talk) 04:56, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Wakanohana Kanji II

Article: Wakanohana Kanji II (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Jiji Press, Nikkan Sports
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former sumo yokozuna. Died on the 16th, reported on the 18th. Pawnkingthree (talk) 15:52, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Hobie Billingsley

Article: Hobie Billingsley (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Indianapolis Star; The Daily Hoosier
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 01:53, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) European heat wave & wildfires

Articles: July 2022 European heat wave (talk · history · tag) and 2022 European wildfires (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A historic heat wave across Europe causes at least 281 fatalities and causes the United Kingdom’s first red extreme heat warning to be issued. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Record-breaking heat waves and wildfires severely affect Europe.
Alternative blurb II: ​ The Met Office issues the first ever red extreme heat warning in the United Kingdom amid a heat wave across Europe.
Alternative blurb III: ​ A heat wave across Western Europe leaves more than 500 people dead.
News source(s): (BBC), Guardian, DW
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Not really sure how to do a blurb for this since it spans so many countries, which each have historic things happening. It seems that two main parts to this heat wave are significant international news. (1): 281 fatalities and (2) the UK’s first ever red extreme heat warning. Fully open to alternative blurbs, but both of those seem to be the largest significant events for this heat wave. Elijahandskip (talk) 20:12, 16 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support because combined with 2022 European wildfires, it's important enough. Jim Michael 2 (talk) 20:26, 16 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support in principle but this needs some restructuring and/or splitting. There are two distinct heat waves involved in this article and both have had/are having massive impacts. The one last month killed well over 1,000 people while the ongoing one is over 300 deaths (I'm seeing conflicting totals, but the most consistent I've found is 238 in Portugal and 84 in Spain). The wildfires might be worth adding to the blurb if that article can be cleaned up. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 20:32, 16 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality. Significance is a no-brainer. GreatCaesarsGhost 20:52, 16 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose also on quality. Seems like there is a mix of different articles covering the same/similar events. Several of the wikilinks in the blurbs provided are redirects to past (June 2022) events. Re-nominate once fixed. Polyamorph (talk) 21:08, 16 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Change to Support - quality is still not great but at least the article is stable now. It is significant.Polyamorph (talk) 14:15, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Nominator comment: No one else support or oppose for a while. Someone split the June and July articles without any discussions, so a bunch of wikilinks got messed up. Elijahandskip (talk) 22:08, 16 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Any blurb that is calling out the special warning/situation in the UK is not going to be appropriate, the entire Western Europe region is affected. --Masem (t) 22:31, 16 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Comment – Not to mention many other places. Where I live in the U.S., it's 102F (39C) late Sat. afternoon. It's been like this all week. If we had a good worldwide roundup that might be approp. – Sca (talk) 22:40, 16 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    To be fair the heat wave in EU is from one/two closely tied weather systems, whereas in the middle of summer of the US it's just warmer, and there are not mass deaths from it. Masem (t) 22:42, 16 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Not suggesting the U.S. is particularly notable, although for the past couple weeks it's been unusually warm in the West. The overall point is it's hot in many regions beside Europe. -- Sca (talk) 22:52, 16 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    The distinction is Europe very rarely gets this sort of temperature. This is more newsworthy the same way a flood somewhere that has never flooded before and is in an area where a flood couldn't usually reach would be more newsworthy than a flood in an area that floods once a year. That is how news works, after all. --2001:8003:1C20:8C00:E118:40C3:CEF3:344 (talk) 02:20, 17 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    By that same coin, the impact seems to be far more on the Iberian than Western European in general. GreatCaesarsGhost 12:20, 17 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Heatwave, even just for July, has ~600 deaths. The 2021 Western North American heat wave was posted at 103. This makes it one of, if not the, deadliest weather event of 2022. The ongoing heat in the United States is just a typical summer heat wave, this could be the continent’s worst since 1757. I would also like to add that the issues with the links is resolved, so I would ask those users to reconsider their votes now. I oppose mentioning the UK in the title though, and would go far enough to say it should be merged with the July heatwave article. 47.21.202.18 (talk) 22:50, 16 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You can't really compare a western North America heatwave to those places that have heat waves with a lot of deaths (like central and eastern North America where thousands if not tens of thousands die). The humidity remains low during western heat waves - which is also what is being seen currently in much of Western Europe. The death from heat waves normally requires high humidity as well. I expect part of the reason that Europe's deaths are higher than one might expect is because of a lack of preparedness, air conditioning, cooling centres, and experience with such conditions. Nfitz (talk) 10:20, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The non-sparsely populated parts of Alaska are also seeing heat, @Szmenderowiecki:. African fires and heat have been widely reported. There was extreme heat last month in Iran. Meanwhile there is currently extreme heat in China. That Nasa article in the last link is a much better basis for an ITN article than one that restricts itself to a regional issue. Looking deeper, there is extreme heat in southwestern parts of the United States, and it looks like western Canada may be next. The media doesn't tend to get as wound up in North America, until town and cities start burning down. Many more people in the impacted areas have air conditioning - and most residential houses have basements. This is far more than just western Europe. There's widescale WP:BIAS in only reporting this about Europe. Nfitz (talk) 10:15, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The ping didn't work for whatever reason? Anyway, all of these examples should have had their articles done and proposed here. Btw, the heat in Europe is in fact from Western Sahara, which includes Morocco, so these are connected issues. As for Iran and China, definitely should have been proposed here but weren't AFAIK, because there were no articles written about those heat waves. Ultimately it isn't about us preferring to promote European topics on ITN and more about people don't caring to write the articles about areas outside EU/US, which is a problem of our user base in general (admittedly I'm part of it, because most things I wrote of so far were connected to Europe or Canada).
As for the US and Canada, I am looking at these and apparently all-time heat records were at best tied as in Salt Lake City, so unless there are numerous casualties, or towns burning, the ITN posting of these extreme events is right now unclear. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 10:59, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Let's try pinging you like this, User:Szmenderowiecki, which is what I've done for a decade+ before I was told it never worked! I don't see where the Salt Lake City information is coming from - and I thought the worst heat was further west (and north). Many heat records in British Columbia were completely shattered - though it was the massive extent and damage of the fires that were most notable. Nfitz (talk) 20:01, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The ping works!
I mean, the Salt Lake City stuff if from just two days ago, but even if it broke the record, I don't think that alone it would qualify. I am not aware of any recent heat advisories for BC, or the Pacific Northwest in general (the last one I can find was from three weeks ago), but obviously this does not qualify for ITN. If the territorial all time highs are broken in Yukon or NWT or Nunavut, then I think it might be postable given that we are speaking of Arctic regions.
Also, my criteria are these: a national record is set; a record for a large state/territory/oblast is set and coupled with some unusual disasters; or the heat wave brings about a lot of mayhem and deaths. So the last year's heat wave in BC would qualify because it obliterated the previous all-time high record in Canada; this heat wave would also qualify; the heatwave from May would also qualify as unusually early. On the other hand, snow in Brazil, as it happened in May, would IMHO also be fine to mention here. More climate news - the climate crisis is there after all! Szmenderowiecki (talk) 01:09, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think there's been much heat worth mentioning this month in most of North America - record highs happen all the time with climate change - heck, we got one here today in Toronto - but the humidity isn't brutal yet with a dew point of 17C, so it's not a big concern or notable (though still feels warmer than London - where the dew point 8C at 1 pm BST!). It's Africa and Asia that are seeing extremes. Though that might change in North America looking at the 2 to 4 week forecasts - more so in the West. I'm all in favour of an ITN though - but including at least Asia and northern Africa. Nfitz (talk) 01:31, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
On that we agree. Just the articles should be there. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 02:28, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support but wait. Looking back into archives, the 2021 Western North America heat wave got published, though IMHO I'd much prefer to cite actual temperatures and record highs for countries, rather than simply saying that there is an extreme heat wave which kills people and damages infrastructure - both seem sort of obvious. Today some of the worst roasting is expected in the UK, so I'd post the updated info Tuesday evening; also, Belgium and the Netherlands might also get a lot of record temps. Also, we need to explain what the "red alerts" about heat are supposed to mean if we are to post them. So focus on the gist - temperatures, and possibly the number of dead/estimated losses. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 02:00, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support in principle under the effective consensus already present. DarkSide830 (talk) 03:27, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment – Tuesday: [6] [7] [8] [9]Sca (talk) 12:45, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm sure this would have been posted days ago if it were in North America... Although admittedly not been helped by many article splits/merges, the article that exists now seems fine, and more than good enough for ITN (where we often post way poorer quality articles than this one). And actual records are being broken as we speak, don't get why this is still being held up. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:00, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • By tomorrow it will be yesterday's news. Quality has been the biggest hold up, most agree on the significance to post. When I opposed the links all pointed in different directions, merges were happening. It is now more stable. Quality is still not great but I've changed my oppose to support. Polyamorph (talk) 14:15, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • There is no need to suggest bad faith here. The target remains in horrible condition. It's not so much an encyclopedia article as it is a list of facts we might later use to compose an article. GreatCaesarsGhost 16:24, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality and also on scope - much of the article is just unstructured bullet points, e.g. Spain's jUly heatwave. Furthermore, as noted above by Nfitz, this same heat wave extends into North Africa and mention should be made of what's happened there, for completeness.  — Amakuru (talk) 13:24, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Agree. If a reasonably descriptive section on N. Africa could be added, this might serve as an acceptable modus vivendi to avoid ignoring the No.1 story after Rukraine. -- Sca (talk) 14:16, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, in principle, a mix of Alt Blurbs 1 and 3; last year's heat dome over the Rockies got posted, after all, which was less impactful in the end. Sceptre (talk) 16:19, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Less impactful, @Sceptre:? In the centre of the event it hit 49.6 °C (121.3 °F), destroying an entire town. The Lytton wildfire alone was about 84,000 hectares - ten times the size I'm seeing reported for fires in Spain; and there were much larger fires than Lytton - some also with their own articles. You could smell the smoke a thousand miles away - and there's no way that's even factored into the excess deaths. Nfitz (talk) 20:01, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I just came across this very good, new, article which looks at the whole thing in a much more global, and less sensational way. Might be used to improve the article(s). I wonder if there'll be something in Thursday's hardcopy version of the newspaper. Nfitz (talk) 22:06, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I would strongly support linking Anthropogenic climate change in ongoing, although I think the required discussion isn't well suited to this page; an RfC at WT:In the news/Candidates might be the best place. BilledMammal (talk) 02:11, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

July 15

Armed conflicts and attacks

Business and economy

  • Transport in Spain
    • Spain introduces free tickets for suburban and medium-distance services for Renfe, the state-owned railway operator, starting from September 1 and until the end of the year. Other modes of public transport already have a 30% discount. (The Guardian)

Disasters and accidents

International relations

Law and crime

Science and technology


(Posted) RD: José Ramón Balaguer

Article: José Ramón Balaguer (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Associated Press; CE Noticias Financieras English
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 04:15, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Pratap Pothen

Article: Pratap Pothen (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Times of India
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 16:57, 15 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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