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2024 Ukrainian coup attempt allegations
Blurb: An alleged pro-Russian coup is foiled by the Security Service of Ukraine that sought to oust Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy. (Post)
News source(s): [1]
Credits:
- Created and nominated by Scu ba (talk · give credit)
I noticed that nobody was talking about a foiled coup yesterday in Ukraine that major news outlets are talking about so I decided to make a page for it, I feel that this is just as notable as any other coup and should be included in the news. Scu ba (talk) 00:46, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Huh. A quite worrying development of the ongoing war, but the (alleged) coup wasn't actually attempted, so oppose on notability. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 00:48, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
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BB(5) discovery
Blurb: In computer science, researchers discover the fifth Busy Beaver number. (Post)
Alternative blurb: A group of mathematical researchers announces the discovery of the fifth Busy Beaver number.
Alternative blurb II: The fifth Busy Beaver number is discovered, establishing a new quantitative limit on the behavior of small computer programs.
News source(s): [2] [3]
Credits:
- Nominated by Schoen (talk · give credit)
I guess the article needs work to be understandable to non-experts and should highlight more about the new discovery, but I think this is a big deal for computer science and mathematics. It's been 41 years since progress was made on this problem, it closely relates to the limits of mathematical knowledge and mathematical proof, it was a big online volunteer collaboration over several years, and it's one of the first new mathematical results to be formalized in a proof assistant contemporaneously with its announcement (which helped other mathematicians be more confident more quickly that the result was correct). It's also very likely the largest Busy Beaver number that humanity will ever be able to discover. So this is potentially the only progress on this problem that Wikipedia will ever be able to announce! Schoen (talk) 23:25, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support just beat me too it! Big thing in computer science tho Ion.want.uu (talk) 23:28, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support Wow! Didn't follow it too closely, I'm surprised it was actually discovered. Science at ITN is always great, and, as Schoen says, this is likely the largest Busy Beaver number we'll be able to discover (for two-state Turing machines at least). Not only does the state space grow very fast, but these numbers are inherently uncomputable, meaning you can't just throw more computing power to find them, you need to go through mathematical proofs for each Turing machine. By the way, for anyone curious, the number is 47 176 870. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 23:46, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- A lower bound on the sixth Busy Beaver number is 10⇈15, or 1010...15 times...10. Needless to say, we don't have enough space in this universe to even write it down. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 23:49, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose primary because the target article is terribly undersourced and is the symptom of being far too technical for an encyclopedia. Besides that, I'd like to see at least either a peer-review article or a more mainstream news source covering this, because as the Quantum article points out, this is more a curiosity than a breakthrough in mathematics. --Masem (t) 02:00, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
Dick Schoof (Netherlands PM)
Blurb: Dick Schoof becomes Prime Minister of the Netherlands. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Dick Schoof is sworn in as Prime Minister of the Netherlands.
Alternative blurb II: In the Netherlands, a new cabinet is sworn in with independent politician Dick Schoof serving as prime minister.
Alternative blurb III: In the Netherlands, Dick Schoof succeeds four-term prime minister Mark Rutte.
News source(s): AP
Credits:
- Nominated by Classicwiki (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Jochem van Hees (talk · give credit)
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
One interesting thing about this succession is that Schoof is not part of the coalition party. Mark Rutte was PM for 13+ years, will serve as the next SG of NATO (1 October), which was just made official on 26 June. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply to me here, please ping me. 19:45, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support It's interesting that he's not just not a member of the coalition parties but that he's not an elected politician. Instead, he's a civil servant and previously in charge of the security service. Deep state needs a section for the Netherlands... Andrew🐉(talk) 21:42, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support change of head of government is ITN/R This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 21:53, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support because he succeeded 13-year incumbent Mark Rutte, and this concludes government appointment from the November 2023 Dutch election. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 23:39, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
2024 Hathras stampede
Blurb: At least 107 people are killed in a stampede during a religious event in Uttar Pradesh, India. (Post)
News source(s): Hindustan Times
Credits:
- Nominated by Estreyeria (talk · give credit)
Article will need some work before it's ready. Estreyeria (talk) 13:33, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Agree once the article is expanded. Sheila1988 (talk) 14:12, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support but wait until the event is over and all information has been reported on. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 14:57, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support when ready death toll is quite high but article needs a lot of expansion before it is ready to be posted. PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:57, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. This could have some form of widespread significance, but we don't know that right now, so we can't support based on that. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 00:31, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
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RD: Robert Towne
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): USA Today The New York Times
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- Nominated by Staraction (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Staraction (talk | contribs) 02:45, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
RD: June Leaf
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:
- Nominated by Staraction (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Staraction (talk | contribs) 13:19, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Not ready entire work section have only two sources. PrinceofPunjabTALK 16:01, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
José Raúl Mulino becomes President of Panama
Blurb: José Raúl Mulino becomes President of Panama. (Post)
Alternative blurb: José Raúl Mulino is sworn in as President of Panama.
Alternative blurb II: After winning the Panamanian general election, José Raúl Mulino becomes President of Panama.
News source(s): AP
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Classicwiki (talk · give credit)
- Created by BastianMAT (talk · give credit)
- Updated by 190.219.24.14 (talk · give credit) and 219.77.28.65 (talk · give credit)
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--Classicwiki (talk) If you reply to me here, please ping me. 21:36, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose - This is just the swearing-in. The election was two months ago; we discussed it, but didn't manage to get it posted. GenevieveDEon (talk) 21:55, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- @GenevieveDEon, thats why I nominated. 2024 Panamanian general election was not posted. Doesn't this meet the WP:ITN/R qualification of:
Changes in the holder of the office which administers the executive of their respective state/government... except when that change was already posted as part of a general election
? Classicwiki (talk) If you reply to me here, please ping me. 22:00, 1 July 2024 (UTC)- You're both right. This is just as recurrent as the election item and just as subject to not getting posted after a discussion. It all depends who discusses what and how from here out. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:06, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- @GenevieveDEon, thats why I nominated. 2024 Panamanian general election was not posted. Doesn't this meet the WP:ITN/R qualification of:
- Support given that we didn't post the election This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 04:56, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support Alt2 Article is of decent quality, and we should post this as the election itself didn't get posted. I would suggest posting alt2, as the first two blurbs don't actually say how he became the president, only that he is now the president. Gödel2200 (talk) 13:20, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support on notability. BilboBeggins (talk) 16:30, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
Hurricane Beryl
Blurb: Hurricane Beryl makes landfall in Grenada, causing extensive damage. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Hurricane Beryl, the earliest recorded Category 5 in the Atlantic Ocean basin, makes landfall in the Caribbean.
News source(s): CNN NBC
Credits:
- Nominated by Gödel2200 (talk · give credit)
Category 4 hurricane which is still active. Gödel2200 (talk) 21:12, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: it is now a category 5. West Virginia WXeditor (talk) 17:21, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: I thought about nominating this article. One notable aspect about this hurricane is that it is the earliest
Category 4Category 5 on record in the Atlantic Ocean. If this gets posted, this information might be worth mentioning in the blurb. I have proposed an alt (which might need some tweaks). --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply to me here, please ping me. 21:21, 1 July 2024 (UTC) Updated alt. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply to me here, please ping me. 16:53, 2 July 2024 (UTC) - Wait/Oppose. Full impacts aren't known yet, however the article body does not yet substantiate the "extensive damage" claim at the moment. The record, while interesting, is very much trivia, and a record for being category 4 is obscure. Cat 5 maybe we can talk, but not a category 4 record. DarkSide830 (talk) 21:36, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- It is a category 5. It got up to 165 mph. West Virginia WXeditor (talk) 17:19, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Wait for the hurricane's impact to see the full extent of the damage. The hurricane is ongoing. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 21:40, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Wait until we know more about the human impact of the storm. It's early in the season, and both this storm and other storms may yet cause more damage. As it stands, I'd oppose, but I don't want to pre-empt things as the situation develops. GenevieveDEon (talk) 21:59, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Wait For the most part, breaking specific intensity records don't warrant inclusion here. It might merit inclusion depending on impacts/ TornadoLGS (talk) 02:32, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Wait: Per others. At time of writing this, further land impacts are likely to occur in the coming week per the NHC forecast and model guidance. The full extent of this storm's impact has yet to be seen. Comment: Additionally, Beryl has recently attained category 5 intensity, breaking Hurricane Emily's record for earliest cat 5 storm in basin, though it is not expected to impact any land as a cat 5 storm. ArkHyena (talk) 07:41, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: a high end category 3 would still cause severe impacts on Jamaica; to which it is headed towards them in the next day or so. West Virginia WXeditor (talk) 17:22, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Wait for impacts to be known, and for potential subsequent landfalls. While it is true that this storm is remarkable from a meteorological perspective, ITN posts based on the real world effects a storm has on populated areas. It is still very possible it could warrant posting in the future, but not right now. Vanilla Wizard 💙 12:32, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Blurb probably needs updating as its now Cat5 (and the earliest one at that) --Masem (t) 12:35, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Masem @DarkSide830. I have updated the alt. -- Classicwiki (talk) If you reply to me here, please ping me. 16:54, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Wait/Oppose A large hurricane in the middle of the ocean that isn't forecasted to make another landfall until it weakens substantially due to a significant amount of sheer in its path isn't quite notable enough for blurbing. Let's see what develops over the next few days. Kcmastrpc (talk) 14:02, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- I agree on waiting, but just want to clarify that this isn't accurate according to current forecasts. It's expected to slam into Jamaica at major hurricane intensity tomorrow. Vanilla Wizard 💙 14:18, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Weak support/wait I think once Beryl passes Jamaica, I’ll be inclined to support inclusion in the “In the News” section. But let’s wait until then. West Virginia WXeditor (talk) 17:19, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- I agree on waiting, but just want to clarify that this isn't accurate according to current forecasts. It's expected to slam into Jamaica at major hurricane intensity tomorrow. Vanilla Wizard 💙 14:18, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
RD/Blurb: Ismail Kadare
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb: Albanian novelist Ismail Kadare (pictured) dies in Tirana. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Albanian writer Ismail Kadare (pictured) dies at the age of 88.
Alternative blurb II: Albanian writer Ismail Kadare (pictured) dies in Tirana at the age of 88.
News source(s): Associated Press
Credits:
- Nominated by Gobonobo (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Internationally renowned Albanian novelist. gobonobo + c 09:15, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb A true literary giant with famous and influential works translated into many languages.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 09:20, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support Blurb truly a transformative figure and one of the greatest writer of our time and thank god, it has an legacy section that helps understand his impact. PrinceofPunjabTALK 13:58, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb Can’t say I’m familiar with him, but the legacy section defines his elevated significance quite well, and we did blurb Milan Kundera not that long ago. The Kip (contribs) 15:32, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support Blurb on notability Murnane, Munro, McCarthy, Byatt, Oe, Auster, Amis, Kundera, Barth ... Out of all the notable literary deaths of the past two years, Kadare was one of the greatest. There's a bibliography, so you know what that means. Sincerely, Dilettante 16:51, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- So many passing recently, you’re right. I could argue (unsuccessfully of course) that all those you mentioned, except for A. S. Byatt and Martin Amis, should’ve gotten blurbs. Along with Louise Glück, who died last year and should‘ve gotten a blurb. Gerald Murnane (who you mentioned) is still alive I think, but I think he may deserve a blurb, too. I haven’t read anything by him yet. I think only Kundera got a blurb. And Paul Auster didn’t even get his RD posted, though it was ready to go on the last day of the deadline. Trauma Novitiate (talk) 04:10, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Murnane was a slip on my part. I think I meant Maryse Condé, another blurb-worthy figure IMO. There was a similar burst of deaths just under a decade ago, with Umberto Eco, Marquez, Le Guin, Toni Morrison, etc all within a few years. For my part, I'd support Amis as a prominent public intellectual if not for the fact that it would SNOW. There was a push for an Auster blurb, but it was shut down. Even I opposed that because in the US he's a fairly well-known and unique but, in Europe (especially France), he's just a particularly skilled author of Nouveau romans. His influence was low relative to his popularity.
- Murnane is IMO the second most skilled living novelist, behind Krasznahorkai,so I'd highly recommend him. Sincerely, Dilettante 15:14, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- So many passing recently, you’re right. I could argue (unsuccessfully of course) that all those you mentioned, except for A. S. Byatt and Martin Amis, should’ve gotten blurbs. Along with Louise Glück, who died last year and should‘ve gotten a blurb. Gerald Murnane (who you mentioned) is still alive I think, but I think he may deserve a blurb, too. I haven’t read anything by him yet. I think only Kundera got a blurb. And Paul Auster didn’t even get his RD posted, though it was ready to go on the last day of the deadline. Trauma Novitiate (talk) 04:10, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb after fixing quality issues this is exactly what we should expect for a blurb able RD, an extensive discussion in the article about how they are a great figure. And this is a person I have not heard of but the type of person we should be highlighting at RD. Obviously there's an orange tag and a few smaller quality problems to be fixed before posting. Masem (t) 17:26, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb Major, transformative literary figure. Khuft (talk) 19:43, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: I tried to address the outstanding CN tags in the article. Sourced or put an ISBN for the English translations, but I do not have the time to source the complete works in Albanian. -- Classicwiki (talk) If you reply to me here, please ping me. 20:19, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Old Man Dies One sentence update about a Tirana hospital, years of ill health and reaching 88. Mundane obituary stuff. Big deal in the literary life, sure, but his death doesn't affect that in any way
whatsoeverworth adding to his Career section. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:45, 1 July 2024 (UTC)- 'Old Man Dies' is an obnoxious response to proposed stories of this kind. You're saying more about yourself than about the news by your repeated use of it. GenevieveDEon (talk) 22:00, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Old Man Dies is simply shorthand for the repeatedly shot-down sorts of obituaries that keep popping up around here, as if they're legitimate media events. There's no state funeral, no plausible sidebar potential and generally no reason to stay posted for a week or more alongside earthquakes, sporting celebrations and scientific breakthroughs. Especially where dozens of other notable recent dead cycle along underneath in the meanwhile, for doing the exact same thing. If you want to try and psychoanalyze an author of my depths from a mere quip, "be my guest", but you're going to get a lot wrong. I suppose I should say I was wrong about an RD not affecting literary life, because several non-readers here seem to suddenly think Kadare's someone worth thinking about reading. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:22, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- How do you know whether or not someone's a non-reader? Most don't have a glaring userbox saying This user does not read books. Sincerely, Dilettante 16:28, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- I mean people who haven't read a book by Kadare. Several of us said here we hadn't even heard of him, implying what that does. I certainly didn't lump you into that crowd, given your vote. InedibleHulk (talk) 19:07, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- My bad. I misinterpreted what you meant by non-reader. Sincerely, Dilettante 20:19, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- I mean people who haven't read a book by Kadare. Several of us said here we hadn't even heard of him, implying what that does. I certainly didn't lump you into that crowd, given your vote. InedibleHulk (talk) 19:07, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- How do you know whether or not someone's a non-reader? Most don't have a glaring userbox saying This user does not read books. Sincerely, Dilettante 16:28, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Old Man Dies is simply shorthand for the repeatedly shot-down sorts of obituaries that keep popping up around here, as if they're legitimate media events. There's no state funeral, no plausible sidebar potential and generally no reason to stay posted for a week or more alongside earthquakes, sporting celebrations and scientific breakthroughs. Especially where dozens of other notable recent dead cycle along underneath in the meanwhile, for doing the exact same thing. If you want to try and psychoanalyze an author of my depths from a mere quip, "be my guest", but you're going to get a lot wrong. I suppose I should say I was wrong about an RD not affecting literary life, because several non-readers here seem to suddenly think Kadare's someone worth thinking about reading. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:22, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- 'Old Man Dies' is an obnoxious response to proposed stories of this kind. You're saying more about yourself than about the news by your repeated use of it. GenevieveDEon (talk) 22:00, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb Influential in his field (kinda think Munro should’ve been blurbed too but oh well). Article could be updated a bit better to reflect his death / reactions. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 21:22, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Weak Support Blurb - I'm not an expert, but the article seems to support well, with citations, the proposition that he was a genuinely outstanding figure in the literary world. GenevieveDEon (talk) 22:00, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb Don't know about this guy (maybe I should?) but apparently he was "one of the greatest writers and intellectuals of the 20th and 21st centuries." I guess that's pretty solid. Bremps... 23:51, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb. Surprised to learn that he was the author of The Ghost Rider, which, of course was later made into a major motion picture starring Nicolas Cage. Hyperbolick (talk) 01:37, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- No, I don’t believe that’s correct. The movie is based on the comic book by that name, which was inspired by the song “Riders In The Sky (song) that Johnny Cash (and many other singers, too) made famous. You know the one: “yippee i-oh, yippee i-yay, ghost riders in the sky” — Trauma Novitiate (talk) 03:53, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb – I agree that this article is very impressive. Very well-written, inclusive, and clearly establishing that Kadare is a great story-teller deserving of his acclaim and international readership. I had not even an inkling about any of this until just now, after I read the Wikipedia article which is close to being ready to be posted as an RD. A few minor issues such as the ISBN’s that Classicwiki mentioned already. - Trauma Novitiate (talk) 03:38, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb old man dies. Manner of death not notable. Not a serving political head. This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 04:57, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb. His article explains well why he is blurb-worthy, though I don't think the update is sufficient to post just yet. ~~ Jessintime (talk) 15:29, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb. I find it dubious that a person whom not many know is blurbed just because his peers praised him, while many people whom everyone knows, like Donald Sutherland, Christopher Plummer, Kirk Douglas and Olivia de Havilland, Cormac Maccarthy, Vangelis, to a lesser extent William Hurt, Angela Lanesbury, Harry Bellafonte.
- He hasn't even got a Nobel Prize, we didn't blurb a great many guys who had one.
- I don't think he is that transformative, I don't know his books, they weren't adapted to the screen notably.
- I also wouldn't say his influence in Europe is large. BilboBeggins (talk) 16:36, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Your list is mostly celebrities. Secretlondon (talk) 19:10, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- I would regard Vangelis as top musician, Cormac Maccarthy as accomplished writer, Donald Sutherland and Christopher Plummer as character actors, William Hurt as powerful dramatic actor. Lanesbury was first nominated for Oscar 80 years ago. Bellafonte was devoted activist. And Havilland and Douglas were just legends. Still are. BilboBeggins (talk) 20:54, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- How influential are those actors? I've never heard an actor say "I saw William Hurt in Lost in Space and it was revelatory—it completely changed the way I act." At most actors are inspired by each other; it's rare their styles shift much. On the other hand, it's common for popular authors to cause significant shifts in the literary style du jour or the themes most covered.
- With Kadare, you can also make an argument for political influence as a dissenter and activist. Sincerely, Dilettante 21:49, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- To be fair, Lost in Space isn't even in top 20 Hurt's performances.
- Let's see
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- I put dozens of Sutherland references last month. BilboBeggins (talk) 22:33, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Havilland literally changed studio system and the ways actors were treated [7]. BilboBeggins (talk) 22:38, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- I would regard Vangelis as top musician, Cormac Maccarthy as accomplished writer, Donald Sutherland and Christopher Plummer as character actors, William Hurt as powerful dramatic actor. Lanesbury was first nominated for Oscar 80 years ago. Bellafonte was devoted activist. And Havilland and Douglas were just legends. Still are. BilboBeggins (talk) 20:54, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- notability does not always go hand in hand with popularity. _-_Alsor (talk) 19:40, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Whether a death is still in the news by the time it's posted depends on popularity, though. That's the more important thing, blurbwise. Notability just determines whether the biography exists. InedibleHulk (talk) 19:48, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- But enduring popularity across globe is notability.
- I regard as the problem that in a competitive field top or upper tier representatives won't be considered, only top top top ones, while in a sport the best known player will be considered good enough for blurb.
- 81 wiki page for Sutherland, 30 for Willie Mays, 30 for Shane Warne, around 40 for Jim Brown at the time of death.
- This all hardly makes sense.
- I would assume blurb deaths are for cases where a person is so well known that it is news that they died, and everyone should know about it, and Wikipedia spreads this information. As in cases of Pele, Queen Elizabeth II, Sidney Poitier, Pope Benedickt XVI. BilboBeggins (talk) 20:50, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- If we're going to use "popularity across the globe" as the new criteria for death blurbs, why stop there? Let's apply popularity across the board at ITN! New PM in the Netherlands? Who cares! Taylor Swift's outfit malfunctioned during a concert in Ireland! Kim Kardashian just renovated her luxury villa! Let's please focus on the really popular news. Khuft (talk) 21:36, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- WP does not consider fame or popularity as part of notability, because that feeds into the systematic bias of English and Western topics. We are an encyclopedia, the main page meant to displace high quality encyclopedic articles, and in this case, a person that has a thoroughly established legacy and impact on literature, an ideal encyclopedic topic, even if one hasn't heard of them before. Absolutely meets what we want the main page to reflect. Masem (t) 22:55, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Your list is mostly celebrities. Secretlondon (talk) 19:10, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb. Come on, really? Blurbs are not for this kind of person, no offence to him, he led a noteworthy and accomplished life. But RD exists for us to list deaths. — Amakuru (talk) 22:41, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb. His life was significant, which is why he has an article. But what's significant about his death? Thebiguglyalien (talk) 00:32, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Orange tag is now gone. Should be ready to post. gobonobo + c 00:51, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Blurb? Is he famous for dying? HiLo48 (talk) 01:03, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- He's much more famous than he was two days ago. Sincerely, Dilettante 01:05, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Blurb? Is he famous for dying? HiLo48 (talk) 01:03, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
(Closed) New Indian Criminal Code comes into effect
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Blurb: New Criminal Code Bharatiya Nyaya Sanhita (BNS) comes into effect from 1 July 2024 to replace the Indian Penal Code (IPC), which dated back to the period of British India. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Three criminal laws namely Bharatiya Nyaya Sanhita (BNS), Bharatiya Nagarik Suraksha Sanhita (BNSS), and Bharatiya Sakshya Adhiniyam (BSA) comes into effect replacing Indian Penal Code (IPC), Criminal Procedure Code (CrPC), and Indian Evidence Act (IEA), respectively.
News source(s): The Hindu ndtv.com The Times of India
Credits:
- Nominated by Redmyname31 (talk · give credit)
- Oppose I wondered what "Bharatiya Nyaya Sanhita" meant as I don't speak Hindi. The nominated article doesn't tell me so I have to go to Google Translate to find that it means "Indian Judicial Code". My impression is that this is much the same as before with the usual offences of theft, murder, etc. It's just that everything has been rewritten in Hindi rather than English, right? But this is the English language Wikipedia and so the topic is more suitable for हिन्दी विकिपीडिया. Andrew🐉(talk) 13:23, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose I am an Indian and I would say that this is not something worth mentioning in the ITN. Almost all the rules and laws are same expect for few notable exceptions. This is not something that is changing India drastically. Also, picture of the constitution has got nothing to do with it. PrinceofPunjabTALK 13:36, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose The article does not make it seem like much has changed through the new code. It does have a criticism section, but the criticism about new changes the code has seems to be limited to ambiguous phrases it introduces. Gödel2200 (talk) 14:23, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per all above. Totally irrelevant for ITN. _-_Alsor (talk) 14:59, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per all above. The Kip (contribs) 15:34, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
(Closed) Sam Mostyn as new Governor-General of Australia
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Blurb: Businesswoman Sam Mostyn (pictured) succeeds David Hurley as Governor-General of Australia. (Post)
News source(s): news.com.au ABC News
Credits:
- Nominated by Aydoh8 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Nford24 (talk · give credit) and Abraham, B.S. (talk · give credit)
- Oppose Governor-Generals are just ceremonial roles. PrinceofPunjabTALK 13:38, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
Non-oppose but I will note that we didn't post previous changes of viceroy/reine in Commonwealth realms This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 03:54, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose good faith nom. Kind of a ceremonial stand in for the head of state. The prime minister holds the power and technically King Charles III is the head of state. So I'm not seeing any real significance here. -Ad Orientem (talk) 04:08, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose The governor-general is mainly a ceremonial role, as mentioned by Ad Orientem --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 04:46, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support Article is in great shape. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 05:10, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per the reasons above, mainly ceremonial and they have not been posted previously. Ornithoptera (talk) 05:54, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose as the governor-general is mostly a ceremonial role. As the lead of the article says: "In almost all instances the governor-general only exercises de jure power..." Gödel2200 (talk) 14:52, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
(Closed) United States President granted criminal immunity
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Blurb: The United States Supreme Court grants the President of the United States full immunity for official actions taken in Trump v. United States. (Post)
Alternative blurb: In Trump v. United States, the United States Supreme Court rules that former presidents are immune from criminal prosecutions of official acts.
News source(s): Supreme Court CBS News The Hill
Credits:
- Nominated by lunsel (talk · give credit)
- Created by ElijahPepe (talk · give credit)
- Updated by ElijahPepe (talk · give credit) and DanzST (talk · give credit)
- Oppose — This is a standard and expected ruling that has no personal significance to the country, unlike Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 14:39, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per above. Totally irrelevant for ITN. _-_Alsor (talk) 14:58, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose not suitable for the ITN and the main page. PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:36, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose because it's an ongoing event as part of a larger legal process (Trump indictments) and wasn't a conviction or acquittal like the New York trial. It's not suitable for ITN. JohnAdams1800TALK 15:36, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support because of the immense significance of this decision. ITN has had an anti-US bias that prevents most posters on here from recognizing the obvious importance of extremely significant news stories for far too long, and the opposition expressed above to one of the most noteworthy Supreme Court decisions in the lifetime of anyone reading this is an exceptionally good illustration of that. IntoThinAir (talk) 16:32, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose both the topic and the blurb. The decision is more nuanced than described in the blurb. And ElijahPepe is correct that this is not a "major upset" (to use sports jargon). EvergreenFir (talk) 16:41, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose since this goes back to lower courts to rule what actions are or aren't immune now, which most pundits I've seen will still leave some of the table. If anything, the three decisions to nuke the administrative state (Jarsky, Loper Bright, and corner Post) are actually far more impactful but even then not ITN worthy material. Masem (t) 17:30, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
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RD: Hugh Aldons
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Sunday Observer
Credits:
- Nominated by Abishe (talk · give credit)
- Created by Sammyrice (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Sammyrice (talk · give credit), Abishe (talk · give credit) and Erksahin (talk · give credit)
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Sri Lankan sportsman who has played field hockey. rugby union and cricket for Sri Lanka. Abishe (talk) 02:38, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. Although it is sourced, the article is way too short at the moment and needs expansion. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁=☁=✈) 04:11, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support IMO meets bare minimum requirement. PrinceofPunjabTALK 13:39, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support per PoP but an infobox would be nice. Bremps... 23:52, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment The article is short and good enough for RD. The birthdate is unsourced though. --Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 15:59, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
RD: Nadim Mostafa
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Financial Express
Credits:
- Nominated by Classicwiki (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Normantas Bataitis (talk · give credit) and Vinegarymass911 (talk · give credit)
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Bangladeshi BNP politician. Exact DOB needs to be nailed down. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply to me here, please ping me. 18:18, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment the article seems to rely heavily on just one news website, needs other sources than that site. PrinceofPunjabTALK 13:43, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
RD/Blurb: R. Sampanthan
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb: Sri Lankan Politician R. Sampanthan (pictured) whose been in the Parliament for 6 terms (1977, 2001, 2004, 2010, 2015, 2020); and as the opposition leader for a term had passed away. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Sri Lankan Politician R. Sampanthan (pictured) whose been in the Parliament for 6 terms with 5 consecutive terms; and as the opposition leader for a term had passed away.
Alternative blurb II: Sri Lankan Politician R. Sampanthan (pictured) whose been in the Parliament for 6 terms with 5 consecutive terms (1977, 2001, 2004, 2010, 2015, 2020); and as the opposition leader for a term had passed away.
Alternative blurb III: Former Sri Lankan opposition leader R. Sampanthan dies at 91.
News source(s): The Hindu, BBC, Newswire
Credits:
- Nominated by Vestrian24Bio (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Obi2canibe (talk · give credit) and Gotitbro (talk · give credit)
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Sri Lankan politician. Been in the parliament for 6 terms, and as opposition leader for 1 term. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 02:21, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Blurb is a bit much for a Leader of the Opposition. Bremps... 02:47, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- He is one of the most important political figures in the country. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 02:53, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Well, was. So far, his article doesn't seem to reflect that he was a supposedly transformative figure, but it might just be due to omissions. Bremps... 03:38, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- He is one of the most important political figures in the country. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 02:53, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb, leading the opposition in parliament for a term isn't really blurb-worthy. If a blurb has to be chosen, altblurb 3 is the most concise and fluff-free. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 03:03, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb Nowhere close to the expected type of coverage/content to describe being a "great figure" in Sri Lanka politics. Perhaps important being the opposition leader, but that doesn't equate to "great". --Masem (t) 03:44, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support RD The prose and citations are there for an RD mention; the very few uncited statements are not controversial. A blurb is obviously not going to happen and is not worth discussing. -- Kicking222 (talk) 08:25, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support RD article is good enough to be posted in the RD, but being an leader of opposition is not a blurb worthy position. PrinceofPunjabTALK 13:44, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb - I don't think we'd generally consider a blurb for a politician who had never actually led a nation or government from any country. I wouldn't, at least. Politics is an important field, as I often say, but this isn't being at the top of it. GenevieveDEon (talk) 22:02, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Blurb is out of the question but support RD. Let's focus on article quality from here on out. Bremps... 03:14, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb With all due respect, subject simply does not reach the significance for a death blurb. Article looks good for RD, though. The Kip (contribs) 03:24, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb not a serving head of state or government. Manner of death not notable. This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 05:00, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. Not a political figure that we blurb. BilboBeggins (talk) 16:31, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
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Mauritanian presidential election
Blurb: Mohamed Ould Ghazouani (pictured) is reelected in the Mauritanian presidential election. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
- Nominated by Gödel2200 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Tidjani Saleh (talk · give credit)
- Comment ITN/R surely? Added image for consideration. Abcmaxx (talk) 13:08, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Technically it isn't, as ITNELECTIONS only lists changes in the holder of office as ITNR, whereas this is a reelection. However, it should be ITNR, and there is ongoing dicsussion on how we should amend ITNELECTIONS. Gödel2200 (talk) 13:13, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
2024 Borno State bombings
Blurb: At least 30 people were killed and over 100 injured in suicide bombings in Borno State, Nigeria. (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times Vanguard
Credits:
- Nominated by Staraction (talk · give credit)
Article will need work. Staraction (talk | contribs) 21:13, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality article needs serious work before being front page ready This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 22:31, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality death toll is quite high but article as of now has only 6 sources and is 276 words long. PrinceofPunjabTALK 13:49, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose The article doesn't mention what group (if any) the attackers were a part of, and it is currently too barebones to be posted to the main page. Gödel2200 (talk) 14:14, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose for now Who, what, where, when, why and how? What, where, when and how are answered, leaving who and why (though we have a pretty good guess). Ping me if both are answered, if so, I'll support this being posted as this is a major attack. Bremps... 02:54, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
RD: Pål Enger
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NRK, Dagbladet
Credits:
- Nominated by Classicwiki (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Oceanh (talk · give credit) and Robby.is.on (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Norwegian footballer and art thief (stole the The Scream!). Will not be posted in current state, needs lots of citations if anyone wants to tackle. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply to me here, please ping me. 18:30, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose as the nominator said it is not in a good shape. PrinceofPunjabTALK 13:51, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
RD: Princess Lalla Latifa Amahzoune
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): APA News
Credits:
- Nominated by Alsoriano97 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Mohamad Darilin (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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princess widow of King Hassan II, mother of the current King of Morocco Mohammed VI. Article is short (she had a very discreet role and it seems that little is known about her), but almost ready. _-_Alsor (talk) 10:34, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - What is that lead image, it looks like some found footage creepy pasta. More recent and quality image would be better PrecariousWorlds (talk) 17:06, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, but there is no better photo available. _-_Alsor (talk) 17:20, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- The copyright information may be inaccurate. Bremps... 18:40, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- This website gives a better picture, though I am not sure what the copyright situation of it is. Gödel2200 (talk) 18:57, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Mostly Support I don't have a problem with a creepy video still for an obscure quasiroyal figure, given the state of VHS recording even in Denmark at the time, but a section called Biography within a biography makes me strangely uneasy. InedibleHulk (talk) 19:52, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support article is okay enough to be posted, but photo is actually weird but the photo on her husband's page is even more weirder, PrinceofPunjabTALK 13:55, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose - Not ready for the front page. I tried following note 1, and it appears to be an OR justification of some of the terminology used elsewhere in that paragraph. GenevieveDEon (talk) 22:05, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- You cannot say that the article is not ready because of an inconsistency in the note. If you don't think it's appropriate, it's deleted (it doesn't actually contribute anything). For the rest, what assessment do you make? _-_Alsor (talk) 16:56, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) 2024 ICC Men's T20 World Cup final
Blurb: In cricket, India win the T20 World Cup by defeating South Africa in the final (player of the final Virat Kohli pictured). (Post)
News source(s): CNN, BBC, Reuters, Al Jazeera The Washington Post
Credits:
- Nominated by 14.139.34.101 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by MNWiki845 (talk · give credit), Vestrian24Bio (talk · give credit) and WikiEditPS (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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14.139.34.101 (talk) 18:36, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support. The article is good, well written and has all the details. Must be on the ITN. AnalyserOP (talk) 19:06, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support. ITNR. Article looks good. Good to go to mainpage. Ktin (talk) 19:20, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support. Article seems well-cited (I spotted two CN tags, but they were for "self-evident" items that don't need an explicit single source) And there seems to be sufficient prose for each section. Overall rather well-done; good to see that much attention quickly: the number one cause of ITN/R sports stories going unposted is usually because the article remains a mess of tables with no cited prose. Good job on the editors to get this past that. Nottheking (talk) 20:45, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Procedural support rules require it. Sports. This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 22:32, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support prose looks good. The Kip (contribs) 03:45, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support The page is of sufficient quality to post. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 04:18, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support article is in a good shape but I suggest we should picture player of the series (in this case Jasprit Bumrah) rather than player of the match. PrinceofPunjabTALK 04:23, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Licensing info for the image on the page for the cup is a bit fishy. Bremps... 05:55, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support The article has been further expanded and all the cn tags have been replaced with references. --Abishe (talk) 10:42, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support As per the comments above. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2409:40E2:102C:CDD8:2D34:E8FC:93F8:5F9F (talk) 13:25, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Admin Attention Needed. Tagging @Admins willing to post ITN: , this has been ready for posting for some time now. Please can you help take a look and post. Ktin (talk) 14:52, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Posted – Schwede66 19:40, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
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RD: Lando Bartolini
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Corriere del Ticino (in Italian)
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Italian tenor of international fame, had a stub of an article with 2 tags. There's still more in Italian if someone has the time. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:08, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support Looks good now. It has also been expanded. --Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 15:05, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support. Good expansion. I do wish there was a little more on his impact/legacy and reviews or criticism of his work (although what I found was mostly negative). --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply to me here, please ping me. 17:39, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Mohamed Osman Jawari
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Garowe Online
Credits:
- Nominated by Classicwiki (talk · give credit)
- Updated by 86.123.228.69 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Speaker of the Federal Parliament of Somalia and briefly acting President of Somalia --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply to me here, please ping me. 05:20, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support. Well sourced, looks good. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁=☁=✈) 08:32, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support looks alright to me. PrinceofPunjabTALK 04:31, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support Looks good. --Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 09:55, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support looks good. Marking ready. _-_Alsor (talk) 10:29, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Please post, @Admins willing to post ITN: Bremps... 18:42, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- I cannot get to source #3, which is extensively used throughout the article. Could someone who can get to that source please archive it (e.g. to the Wayback Machine)? In addition, the date of birth is unreferenced. Schwede66 19:49, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Does this source look good enough for a date of birth? Bremps... 03:43, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Schwede66, I have fixed the archived link and provided a source for the DOB. Please let me know if there are any more concerns. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply to me here, please ping me. 03:59, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Posted – Schwede66 04:33, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
RD: Orlando Cepeda
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Yahoo! Sports
Credits:
- Nominated by Natg 19 (talk · give credit)
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Natg 19 (talk) 03:47, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support: Death is reliably sourced. Article is reasonably complete and well-referenced, with no major issues apparent, tagged, or mentioned on the talk page. jlwoodwa (talk) 04:55, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Not ready, I CN tagged some the areas needing an inline citation -- usually when there was not a source after a couple of sentences. I do not doubt they are the same citations used elsewhere in the same section, but lots of factual claims being made without an inline follow up. Classicwiki (talk) If you reply to me here, please ping me. 05:11, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose several cn tags. PrinceofPunjabTALK 04:33, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
2024 Mongolian parliamentary election
Blurb: The ruling MPP party secures a slim majority in the 2024 Mongolian parliamentary election. (Post)
News source(s): The Associated Press
Credits:
- Nominated by Staraction (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Borgenland (talk · give credit), Enkhsaihan2005 (talk · give credit) and Number 57 (talk · give credit)
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Article has a few outstanding tags. Staraction (talk | contribs) 20:58, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support article could use some improvement but is good enough for now. Proposed altblurb This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 21:24, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support Article should be of sufficient quality for ITN. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 01:55, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Wait The quality issues with the article have now been resolved, but we should wait until the full results are released. The article says:
"The full official results will be officially presented by GEC within 14 days."
so we should just renominate when they do get released. Gödel2200 (talk) 12:45, 2 July 2024 (UTC)Oppose due to a whole paragraph of unsourced information in the background section. Also, the lead of the article only states the preliminary results, so we may want to wait until the final results come out.Gödel2200 (talk) 02:21, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support unless it's been changed by now, but I don't see an unsourced background section paragraph, the article looks good. Scu ba (talk) 20:27, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Scu ba, see the end of the first and second paragraphs of the background section. The second paragraph is the one with no sources. Gödel2200 (talk) 20:50, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- I see it now, looks like it was initially added in the .ru version which was then copied and translated to the .en version 01:52, 30 June 2024 (UTC) Scu ba (talk) 01:52, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Scu ba, see the end of the first and second paragraphs of the background section. The second paragraph is the one with no sources. Gödel2200 (talk) 20:50, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose there are two orange tags that needs to be resolved. PrinceofPunjabTALK 04:33, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment The tables in the "Lawmakers not standing for re-election" and "Incumbents who lost re-election" sections are unsourced. --Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 15:04, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Sources are attached now. Enkhsaihan2005 (talk) 19:40, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
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RD: Martin Mull
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times, Variety, Associated Press, NPR
Credits:
- Nominated by Staraction (talk · give credit)
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Staraction (talk | contribs) 03:07, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Not Ready. Most of the Acting section is unsourced. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁=☁=✈) 08:35, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
Support when article is ready. RIP. -SusanLesch (talk) 15:07, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, striking support (pls ping me if situation changes). Article is overrun by stingy fan editing. -SusanLesch (talk) 13:33, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Multiple paragraphs with zero footnotes. Filmography and Discography sections are largely unsourced. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 15:22, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose several paragraphs without footnotes. PrinceofPunjabTALK 04:34, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
RD: Landry Nguémo
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC, L'Équipe, Goal.com, The Scotsman
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- Nominated by Oltrepier (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Harrywinner (talk · give credit), Kelisi (talk · give credit), CAWylie (talk · give credit) and Robby.is.on (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Former footballer who represented Cameroon at senior international level, and played for Nancy, Celtic and Bordeaux, among other clubs. Unfortunately, the article is still in poor shape, and might use some more citations, but it's definitely nothing "unfixable". Oltrepier (talk) 19:13, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose outstanding amount of cn tags. PrinceofPunjabTALK 12:49, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Added cn tags. Early career and time at Nancy is very undercited. Abcmaxx (talk) 20:11, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
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RD: Kinky Friedman
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Texas Tribune, Rolling Stone
Credits:
- Nominated by Classicwiki (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
American musician, satirist, and politician. Has orange banner, needs some more sources. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply to me here, please ping me. 16:28, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose discography and Writing career sections are almost entirely unsourced. PrinceofPunjabTALK 12:51, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose overreliance on one and two sentence paragraphs. Also what PrinceofPunjab said. Bremps... 06:02, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
RD: Sergei Berezin
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Toronto Sun, CBC
Credits:
- Nominated by Classicwiki (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Exp691 (talk · give credit) and Connormah (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Russian professional ice hockey player. Pretty good shape. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply to me here, please ping me. 16:19, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support looks alright to me and before anyone say that Career statistics section is unsourced, the source is in the external link section. PrinceofPunjabTALK 12:53, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- The infobox and stats table indicate that the subject represented his country on multiple occasions, but the prose lack materials on his international career. This gap in coverage needs to be filled. --PFHLai (talk) 15:10, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
(Ready) RD: Jackie Clarkson
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NOLA
Credits:
- Nominated by Classicwiki (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Benn257 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
American politician: Louisiana House of Representatives and New Orleans City Council. Could do with a few more citations. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply to me here, please ping me. 16:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
Wait some paragraphs end without any footnotes.PrinceofPunjabTALK 12:54, 28 June 2024 (UTC)- @PrinceofPunjab, take a look now. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply to me here, please ping me. 06:37, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support ready now. PrinceofPunjabTALK 06:47, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- @PrinceofPunjab, take a look now. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply to me here, please ping me. 06:37, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support Looks good. --Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 09:57, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Political section is mostly election results as well as 2 sentences about an emails controversy; what else did Clarkson achieve or advocate for while in elected positions? SpencerT•C 04:38, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) Bolivian coup attempt
Blurb: In Bolivia, an army under the command of Juan José Zúñiga storms the presidential palace in an attempted coup. (Post)
News source(s): Bloomberg , BBC
Credits:
- Nominated by Knightoftheswords281 (talk · give credit)
- Created by Noble Attempt (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: Fresh news story, Bolivia appears to have underwent a coup attempt from a local General. — Knightoftheswords 20:39, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support on notability, but Zúñiga's article is still a one-sentence stub for now. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 20:51, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- The article is already a little bit longer now, although it can still very much be improved. Given the importance and recency of the situation, it should be okay for posting. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 21:34, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support on notability, I wonder where this one goes. BilboBeggins (talk) 21:19, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support - it has a dozenWP:RS citations now. It's still a work in progress, but it's only a matter of time before this gets to the front page. A short amount of time, if you ask me. Kire1975 (talk) 21:40, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support, notable and the article seems good Personisinsterest (talk) 22:12, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support, if leaning towards wait. The big question for that is the disposition/fate of Luis Arce, which so far no news seems to have reported. (e.g, was he not there? Did he escape? Did the coup capture him?) I suspect that we'll get an answer on that within a few hours anyway. As long as the articles remain as decently-cited as they are now, it should be good to post. Nottheking (talk) 22:21, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- This is a classic WAIT. If sucessful, then yes to posting. If it all fizzles out in a few hours with no or minimal loss of lives and the arrest of the soliders etc., then that's not something we normally (or should) post. -- KTC (talk) 22:29, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- We should post it in any case, the event already gained traction. BilboBeggins (talk) 22:32, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Wait Let's see if something worth a blurb is actually happening. -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:40, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support on notability, but Wait to see if it is successful per above. Editor 5426387 (talk) 22:46, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Troops have pulled out, so it likely failed, but it is still a notable event. If this happened in a similarly-sized country in Europe, it would absolutely have been posted. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 22:47, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Military coups are not common in Europe. In South America the record is somewhat different. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:01, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Troops have pulled out, so it likely failed, but it is still a notable event. If this happened in a similarly-sized country in Europe, it would absolutely have been posted. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 22:47, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- The long term historical record may be, but since the CIA stopped doing that sort of thing, they are rare in South America now too. HiLo48 (talk) 06:22, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- support on notability coups a rare thing nowadays Kasperquickly (talk) 00:31, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Not really. Bremps... 19:43, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Not to bludgeon my point, but there were two coups in 2022, one foiled plot in 2023, another foiled one in 2024, and another brewing on the horizon in Burkina Faso alone. Not to mention Niger, Tunisia, Chad, etc. There's a coup epidemic. Bremps... 21:48, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Wrong continent. HiLo48 (talk) 06:24, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- User:Kasperquickly should have specified that they meant only South American coups, then. They spoke about coups generally. Bremps... 07:49, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Wrong continent. HiLo48 (talk) 06:24, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Posted. There's enough unqualified support here for a consensus and quality seems OK now. Only the coup article bolded though, not the BLP per usual convention. — Amakuru (talk) 00:37, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Ongoing development. Add to blurb if confirmed, please. Bremps... 04:49, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
RD: Bakhyt Kenjeev
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Meduza
Credits:
- Nominated by Trepang2 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Vacant0 (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
A renowned Kazakh-born Russian poet, a founding member of the "Moscow Time" group of Soviet underground poets. Recipient of several notable Russian literary prizes, said to have been nominated for the Nobel prize.
- Not Ready. Stubby, the usual problem, and several tags needs to be resolved. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁=☁=✈) 03:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Not ready Works section needs more souces. PrinceofPunjabTALK 14:34, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Not ready same issue still lingers. Bremps... 02:49, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support I've added missing references and ISBN's. Should be good now. --Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 14:59, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
(Closed) ICC issues arrest warrants for Russia's Shoigu and Gerasimov
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Blurb: The ICC has issued arrest warrants for the Russian army chief and former defense minister for war crimes in Ukraine. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters, VOA, NY Times
Credits:
- Nominated by Ainty Painty (talk · give credit)
- Oppose - total of one sentence in the entire bolded article referencing the news item. Not to get WP:CRYSTALBALL, but this is a symbolic move that likely will not have many consequences, similar to Putin's arrest warrant (other than restricting travel). In particular, the NYT article states, "That makes it highly unlikely that Mr. Shoigu and General Gerasimov will be taken into custody in the foreseeable future". Also covered by the Ongoing section; could be considered part of the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Finally, another article for the arrest warrants does not yet exist (as exists at International Criminal Court arrest warrants for Vladimir Putin and Maria Lvova-Belova), and including that article in the blurb, or at least mentioning the subjects of the warrants, would be more appropriate. Staraction (talk | contribs) 06:27, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose The last time ITN was fooled into posting something like this, the most significant consequence was Main Page readers having to look at Putin smiling at them for an unreasonably (and perhaps uncomfortably) long time; I don't know what these guys look like, but I'm pretty anyone smiling in an official portrait is the entirely wrong look for this harmless-yet-ill-intended sort of news. InedibleHulk (talk) 06:56, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Putin was one thing as a sitting head of state, this is comparatively far less important. The Kip (contribs) 06:57, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Putin story was notable as it was the head of the state but Army chief is not that notable. PrinceofPunjabTALK 09:06, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose - As PrinceOfPunjab says, Putin was worth posting as head of state, but this is a subsidiary matter and not suitable for ITN. It very much falls under Ongoing. GenevieveDEon (talk) 11:03, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
(Closed) 2024 NEET controversy
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Blurb: Outrage and protests erupt in India regarding irregularities surrounding the results of the National Eligibility-cum-Entrance Test (NEET) (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
- Nominated by Rushtheeditor (talk · give credit)
- Oppose nothing in the article explains why it should be feature on the main page. LiamKorda 04:46, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose I'm not sure if this really reaches the notability standard for ITN. The Kip (contribs) 06:01, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose It is not something significant enough to be featured in the ITN. Close it under WP:SNOW. PrinceofPunjabTALK 07:50, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support At this time of year, the lives of millions of students and their families around the world are dominated by such high-stakes examinations. This is clearly more significant than local sporting events, say, and so it's good to run a relevant item. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:19, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Neutral, leaning Support, but the blurb could be clearer, and should target the correct article. GenevieveDEon (talk) 11:05, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oh what a mess. I think the main difficulty here is that there's no specific date tied to when this controversy began. Moreover, the article doesn't currently mention any real protests. I think mass protests would be a reasonable date to blurb this, but otherwise the current system of ITN is not really designed for slowly-increasing controversies. Article looks good tho, so I am open for improved blurb ideas. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 13:02, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Paper leaks and student protests are routine and recurring events in India. These have no large significance outside the country. — hako9 (talk) 18:20, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Fraudulent issues in the Indian education system are regular. This one has a more coverage than usual but it's still not ITN-worthy. Black Kite (talk) 18:42, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
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