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I feel left out. Can I be put in there under "discussed and made suggestion but didn't !vote"? Or you could work out what I think should happen based on what I said. Hint: whether the page is deleted or not isn't really the key issue here. The key issue is that people come away from this with an understanding of how to approach dispute resolution properly (regardless of whether you are an admin or not, and regardless of whether your dispute is with an admin or not), and the difference between dispute resolution and meta-discussion on how to improve various things around here. Oh, and realising that admins are really only editors with extra buttons, they are not super-editors. Those are things that people only 'get' by discussion, and no number of delete or keep !votes or results of deletions will replace discussion. It would be far, far better to summarise the points made in the ''discussion'' (i.e. people's comments) than to count !votes. [[User:Carcharoth|Carcharoth]] ([[User talk:Carcharoth|talk]]) 23:49, 9 August 2011 (UTC) |
I feel left out. Can I be put in there under "discussed and made suggestion but didn't !vote"? Or you could work out what I think should happen based on what I said. Hint: whether the page is deleted or not isn't really the key issue here. The key issue is that people come away from this with an understanding of how to approach dispute resolution properly (regardless of whether you are an admin or not, and regardless of whether your dispute is with an admin or not), and the difference between dispute resolution and meta-discussion on how to improve various things around here. Oh, and realising that admins are really only editors with extra buttons, they are not super-editors. Those are things that people only 'get' by discussion, and no number of delete or keep !votes or results of deletions will replace discussion. It would be far, far better to summarise the points made in the ''discussion'' (i.e. people's comments) than to count !votes. [[User:Carcharoth|Carcharoth]] ([[User talk:Carcharoth|talk]]) 23:49, 9 August 2011 (UTC) |
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:If you felt left out, why didn't you vote? And whichever admin decides to keep or delete, they'll make their own analysis of the points -- this is a particular analysis just looking at two variables -- vote, and status -- to see if there was a relation.--[[User:Tomwsulcer|Tomwsulcer]] ([[User talk:Tomwsulcer|talk]]) 23:54, 9 August 2011 (UTC) |
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Revision as of 23:54, 9 August 2011
Voting breakdown
- Comment. Just curious about how the voting was breaking down by status (admin/non-admin). Here are tallies as of Aug 9th (5pm NY time). These are rough numbers subject to change. 46 voted; of these, 69% voted delete and 29% voted keep and 2% were undecided. Of the 31 persons voting delete, 52% were admins. Of the 14 voting keep, 21% were admins, and 79% were non-admins. It suggests that persons vote differently based on status here, that is, if you are an admin, you are more likely to vote delete. And, it will be an admin who decides how to interpret this vote and make a decision.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 22:16, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
- Note: Status based on this list -- if the spelling of a username is incorrect and led to wrong data please change this -- thanx) I would have posted this on a user talk page but feared it might have been interpreted as a "s---list" and deleted. :) --Tomwsulcer (talk) 22:16, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
- Admins voting Keep 3
- Admins voting Delete 16
- Non-admins voting Keep 11
- Non-admins voting Delete 15
- Undecided 1
Total 46
| Handle | Vote | Status |
|---|---|---|
| Surturz | Keep | Non-Admin |
| Spartaz | Delete | Admin |
| Strange Passerby | Delete | Non-Admin |
| Tiderolls | Delete | Non-Admin |
| SDY | Keep (weak) | Non-Admin |
| Ben MacDui | Delete | Admin |
| Avanu | Keep | Non-admin |
| Jayron32 | Delete | Admin |
| Ed | Delete | Admin |
| Hullaballoo Wolfowitz | Keep | Non-Admin |
| Coren | Delete | Admin |
| PeterSymonds | Delete | Admin |
| Hut 8.5 | Delete | Admin |
| SarekOfVulcan | Delete | Admin |
| Dekkappai | Delete | Non-Admin |
| Reyk | Delete | Non-Admin |
| HominidMachinae | Keep (strong) | Non-Admin |
| Parsecboy | Delete | Admin |
| Nick-D | Delete | Admin |
| Dirk Beetstra | Delete | Non-Admin |
| Joe Chill | Delete | Non-Admin |
| Crazynas | Keep (weak) | Non-Admin |
| Nyttend | Keep | Admin |
| Johnuniq | Delete | Non-Admin |
| Elle | Keep | Non-Admin |
| Hi878 | Keep | Non-Admin |
| Cunard | Delete | Non-Admin |
| SmokeyJoe | Delete | Non-Admin |
| Elen of the Roads | Delete | Admin |
| Chick Bowen | Delete | Admin |
| Enric Naval | Delete | Non-Admin |
| DGG | Keep | Admin |
| Pedro | Keep | Admin |
| Seb az86556 | Delete | Non-Admin |
| Tomwsulcer | Keep (strong) | Non-admin |
| Robofish | Delete (strong) | Non-Admin |
| Jethrobot | Keep (conditional) | Non-admin |
| AdvertAdam | Delete | Non-Admin |
| Tarc | Delete | Non-Admin |
| Sandstein | Delete | Admin |
| Mathsci | Delete | Non-Admin |
| Worm that turned | Delete | Admin |
| Casliber | Undecided (leans keep) | Admin |
| MuZemike | Delete | Admin |
| Fetchcomms | Delete | Admin |
| ScottyBerg | Keep | Non-Admin |
- This pattern is approximately similar to that at Wikipedia:Community de-adminship/RfC. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:42, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
- I moved this over to the talk page because it is meta-discussion about the MFD, rather than about the page being discussed. Plus the page is almost 100K without this. But feel free to carry on with your analysis, and if you believe it is relevant as an argument for or against the deletion of the nominated page, you can reference/link to it in a comment there. --RL0919 (talk) 23:03, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
- I agree, good call. --Tryptofish (talk) 23:08, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
- I moved this over to the talk page because it is meta-discussion about the MFD, rather than about the page being discussed. Plus the page is almost 100K without this. But feel free to carry on with your analysis, and if you believe it is relevant as an argument for or against the deletion of the nominated page, you can reference/link to it in a comment there. --RL0919 (talk) 23:03, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
I feel left out. Can I be put in there under "discussed and made suggestion but didn't !vote"? Or you could work out what I think should happen based on what I said. Hint: whether the page is deleted or not isn't really the key issue here. The key issue is that people come away from this with an understanding of how to approach dispute resolution properly (regardless of whether you are an admin or not, and regardless of whether your dispute is with an admin or not), and the difference between dispute resolution and meta-discussion on how to improve various things around here. Oh, and realising that admins are really only editors with extra buttons, they are not super-editors. Those are things that people only 'get' by discussion, and no number of delete or keep !votes or results of deletions will replace discussion. It would be far, far better to summarise the points made in the discussion (i.e. people's comments) than to count !votes. Carcharoth (talk) 23:49, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
- If you felt left out, why didn't you vote? And whichever admin decides to keep or delete, they'll make their own analysis of the points -- this is a particular analysis just looking at two variables -- vote, and status -- to see if there was a relation.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 23:54, 9 August 2011 (UTC)