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Isee back in 2016 someone deleted Categories: Birds of...(African countries)but just for the African countries, nowhere else. Long term project is to try to restore them in some fashion....[[User:Pvmoutside|Pvmoutside]] ([[User talk:Pvmoutside|talk]]) 11:06, 17 July 2023 |
Isee back in 2016 someone deleted Categories: Birds of...(African countries)but just for the African countries, nowhere else. Long term project is to try to restore them in some fashion....[[User:Pvmoutside|Pvmoutside]] ([[User talk:Pvmoutside|talk]]) 11:06, 17 July 2023 |
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==[[Chicken of Tomorrow Contest]]== |
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I recently created an article for the [[Chicken of Tomorrow Contest]]. It may be of interest to members of this project. [[User:Thriley|Thriley]] ([[User talk:Thriley|talk]]) 20:47, 13 June 2024 (UTC) |
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== Page merges - pending for long time == |
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Wikipedia now has very stubby articles for [[Tooth-billed tanager]] and [[Red tanager]] that were split out from [[Hepatic tanager]] (''Piranga hepatica''). The Hepatic tanager article is kind of a mess now. The habitat section calls it "Brick red cardinal" and is sourced to a Cornell site that recognizes ''Piranga lutea'' in a broad sense as the hepatic tanager. The description section has an unsourced paragraph that calls it "Brick-red tangerine" (and the previous paragraph has a reference to a different Cornell site that refers to the species having a range from the United States to Argentina). I'm not sure which, if any, of the information in the hepatic tanager article actually pertains to the narrowly circumscribed species. |
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I want to bring to your attention an issue that has been annoying me for some time, but I don't know how to handle it myself. This relates to the birds of New Zealand. |
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Then there are the redirects: [[Lowland Hepatic-tanager]], [[Northern Hepatic-tanager]], [[Highland Hepatic-tanager]], [[Piranga haemalea]], [[Blood-red Tanager]] and [[Blood-red tanager]]. Where should those go? [[User:Plantdrew|Plantdrew]] ([[User talk:Plantdrew|talk]]) 01:37, 27 April 2024 (UTC) |
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I need to find someone with a good understanding of the relevant science to perform these merges without introducing errors, and is willing to apply [[WP:BOLD]]. Please consider helping if this sounds like a good fit for you. |
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:All of it seems to refer to hepatic s. s., All About Birds tends to focus on the North American side of things because that's what its audience is and the other sources are either range-neutral (the name) or talk about NA (the diet in Mexico). The description is unsourced, but it seems accurate enough for hepatic s. s. and I'm inclined to believe it refers to that. I'm not sure about those common names, but they seem to be for ssp/ssp clusters and should presumably be redirected to which ever sp got that particular ssp. [[User:AryKun|AryKun]] ([[User talk:AryKun|talk]]) 03:31, 27 April 2024 (UTC) |
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[[Talk:Little_penguin]]: Merge discussion opened August 2023, closed with result of merge April 2024. As of today, the actual merge hasn't happened yet.The taxonomy is nuanced, as discussed in the merge discussion. Please merge both [[Eudyptula novaehollandiae]] and [[Eudyptula]] into [[Little penguin]]. |
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:: Birds of the World (Cornell) doesn't recognise the three species but has three species groups, whose subspecies correspond to the IOC species. |
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::* Hepatic Tanager (Northern) [hepatica Group] = IOC Hepatic tanager (''P. hepatica'') NA, MA : w USA to Nicaragua |
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::* Hepatic Tanager (Highland) [lutea Group] = IOC Tooth-billed tanager (''P. lutea'') MA, SA : Costa Rica to Bolivia |
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::* Hepatic Tanager (Lowland) [flava Group] = IOC Red Tanager (''P. flava'') SA : s Guyana through e Brazil to Argentina |
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:::Changed the the highland and lowland redirects to the proper targets in case anyone wants to know. [[User:AryKun|AryKun]] ([[User talk:AryKun|talk]]) 07:05, 28 April 2024 (UTC) |
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:::: I've added a taxonomy section to all three species articles. While we follow the IOC in deciding which species get articles and the taxonbox classification, to avoid violating NPOV we are supposed to provide alternative views in the the text. So I added the Clements/eBird subspecies groups to the hepatic tanager article. I also added the IUCN two species treatment. |
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:::: I've remove the mention of the "brick-red tangerine" and "brick red cardinal" as unsourced and confusing. As far as I can tell brick red is the colour of the male of the northern bird (''hepatica'' group or ''P. hepatica''), not a common name. I renamed the second Habitat section as Feeding. I'm really not sure what to do with those sections as my knowledge is limited. Perhaps someone with access to the BOW site an add something. — <span style="font-family:Arial;background:#d6ffe6;border:solid 1px;border-radius:5px;box-shadow:darkcyan 0px 1px 1px;"> [[User:Jts1882|Jts1882]] |[[User talk:Jts1882| talk]] </span> 14:08, 28 April 2024 (UTC) |
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[[Talk:Yellow-eyed penguin]]: Merge discussion opened October 2023. I believe that the result is a merge consensus, but the discussion hasn't closed yet and the merge hasn't happened. Please merge both [[Waitaha penguin]] and [[Megadyptes]] into [[Yellow-eyed penguin]]. |
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== rufous-capped antthrush (Formicarius colma): phylum Chordata == |
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[[Talk:New Zealand raven]]: Merge discussion opened November 2023. I believe that the result is a merge consensus, but the discussion hasn't closed yet and the merge hasn't happened. Please merge [[Chatham raven]] into [[New Zealand raven]]. |
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rufous-capped_antthrush currently says |
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[[Talk:Xenicus]]: Merge discussion opened November 2023. I believe that the result is a merge consensus, but the discussion hasn't closed yet and the merge hasn't happened. Please merge ''[[Pachyplichas]]'' into ''[[Xenicus]].'' I think that [[North Island stout-legged wren]] and [[South Island stout-legged wren]] can remain separate articles for now, although this can be revised in the future. [[User:Columbianmammoth|Columbianmammoth]] ([[User talk:Columbianmammoth|talk]]) 17:59, 15 June 2024 (UTC) |
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:The exact phylogeny of the rufous-capped antthrush is poorly understood, however, an estimated phylogeny was constructed in 1983 by Sibley and Ahlquist by comparing sixteen tracer-species through DNA-DNA hybridization. These results elude that they are Passeriformes coming from the phylum Chordata. |
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== Crested (duck breed) == |
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Can somebody please take a look at that? It can hardly be necessary to mention that these birds are members of Chordata, not can it have been necessary to use DNA-DNA hybridization to establish that fact. |
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Could someone kindly take a look at [[Crested (duck breed)]]? I've already reverted there more often than I'm comfortable with. Many thanks, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers|talk]]) 10:55, 27 June 2024 (UTC) |
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- [[Special:Contributions/189.122.84.88|189.122.84.88]] ([[User talk:189.122.84.88|talk]]) 06:27, 28 April 2024 (UTC) |
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== Missing topics == |
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:Removed the sentence, not particularly necessary to mention Passeriformes either since the position of Formicariidae within Passeriformes isn't to my knowledge particularly controversial. [[User:AryKun|AryKun]] ([[User talk:AryKun|talk]]) 07:03, 28 April 2024 (UTC) |
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We don't have entries for [[in pin]] or [[pullus]]. To what articles or sections could those topics be sensibly redirected? <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 11:57, 30 June 2024 (UTC) |
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::The 1983 study by Sibley and Ahlquist is now very out of date: the phylogeny is known with some confidence. The rufous-capped antthrush was sampled in a large [[Ultra-conserved element|UCE]] based study of the [[suboscine]]s by Michael Harvey and collaborators that was published in 2020.<ref>{{Cite journal | last1=Harvey | first1=M.G. | display-authors=etal | date=2020 | title=The evolution of a tropical biodiversity hotspot | journal=Science | volume=370 | issue=6522 | pages=1343–1348 | doi=10.1126/science.aaz6970 | hdl=10138/329703 | hdl-access=free }} A high resolution version of the phylogenetic tree in Figure 1 is available from the first author's website [http://www.harveybirdlab.org/docs/Harveyetal2020_Fig1_tree_HiRes.pdf here].</ref> A cladogram showing the rufous-capped antthrush is included in the article on the antthrush family [[Formicariidae]]. - [[User:Aa77zz|Aa77zz]] ([[User talk:Aa77zz|talk]]) 09:06, 28 April 2024 (UTC) |
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: There is a [[Glossary_of_bird_terms]] where something could be added for Pullus. There is also a section on [[Bird#Parental_care_and_fledging|Parental_care_and_fledging]] in [[Birds]] and articles on [[Fledge|Fledging]] and [[Precociality and altriciality]]. I'm note sure of the best definition of pullus which varies from the general "a young bird" to the more specific "a young bird in the downy stage" or "a young bird or nestling prior to fledging" or "a young bird or nestling that is not yet able to fly". — <span style="white-space: nowrap;font-family:Arial;background:#d6ffe6;border:solid 1px;border-radius:5px;box-shadow:darkcyan 0px 1px 1px;"> [[User:Jts1882|Jts1882]] |[[User talk:Jts1882| talk]] </span> 13:17, 30 June 2024 (UTC) |
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| ⚫ | :: There are a number of articles on feathers, which don't mention [[pullus]] or [[in pin]], although there is an article on [[Pin_feather]]s that could do with some work. — <span style="white-space: nowrap;font-family:Arial;background:#d6ffe6;border:solid 1px;border-radius:5px;box-shadow:darkcyan 0px 1px 1px;"> [[User:Jts1882|Jts1882]] |[[User talk:Jts1882| talk]] </span> 14:23, 30 June 2024 (UTC) |
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Redirects now in place. Thank you. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 19:51, 30 June 2024 (UTC) |
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== Dickcissel image on 1,500 pages == |
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File:Spiza americana male 94 231051626 13e01e8125 o cropped flipped.png is found on approximately 1,500 bird Wikipedia articles. This appears to be erroneous. Any way to remove on mass? [[User:Antkings|Antkings]] ([[User talk:Antkings|talk]]) 17:00, 9 May 2024 (UTC) |
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:The reason for its inclusion on so many pages is because it is a part of the default [[Template:Birdsong]]. Only those uses of the template that opt to use a separate image for the article to represent a specific species will not have that image. [[User:Reconrabbit|<span style="color:#6BAD2D">Recon</span>]][[User talk:Reconrabbit|<span style="color:#2F3833">rabbit</span>]] 17:10, 9 May 2024 (UTC) |
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== [[Gray-cheeked thrush]] -- did I make a mistake? == |
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I was surprised to see this bird at the spelling "grey". A quick search of popular bird books and websites (including some in Canada) returned unanimous "gray" spelling, and on inspection of the history it looks like it was created with "gray" and then moved to "grey" without discussion back in 2008. I do see that in e.g. British birding books it's spelled "grey", but I don't see any use by authoritative sources in the bird's actual range. So I moved it. Now, however, I wonder if there's a standard this WikiProject prefers to go by, and to what extent spelling in the native range should matter? Certainly don't want to start an [[WP:ENGVAR]] conflict. :) — <samp>[[User:Rhododendrites|<span style="font-size:90%;letter-spacing:1px;text-shadow:0px -1px 0px Indigo;">Rhododendrites</span>]] <sup style="font-size:80%;">[[User_talk:Rhododendrites|talk]]</sup></samp> \\ 22:14, 18 May 2024 (UTC) |
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:We usually go by ENGVAR for the species's range, so your move was fine. [[User:AryKun|AryKun]] ([[User talk:AryKun|talk]]) 23:07, 18 May 2024 (UTC) |
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== Highly cited ornithology journals == |
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I've put in some work to complete the particularly notable entries under [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Birds/Article_requests/Journals]] (see ''[[Bird Conservation International]], [[Bird Study]], [[Marine Ornithology]]'') but am having trouble when looking at the last one on the list (''[[Stray Feathers]]''). There's already a decent account of the journal's history on Allan Hume's article, and since it hasn't been published in over 100 years I can't use any of the sources typically used to establish journal notability ([[Scopus]], MIAR, [[Web of Science]], etc.). Any recommendations on this front? [[User:Reconrabbit|<span style="color:#6BAD2D">Recon</span>]][[User talk:Reconrabbit|<span style="color:#2F3833">rabbit</span>]] 17:33, 23 May 2024 (UTC) |
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:These should help: [https://www.internationalornithology.org/PROCEEDINGS_Durban/Symposium/S23/S23.1.htm], [https://indianbirds.in/pdfs/IB2.5_Pittie_StrayFeathers.pdf], {{doi|10.1111/j.1474-919X.1873.tb05894.x}}, [https://www.conservationindia.org/wp-content/files_mf/Collar-Prys-Jones-2012-Allan-Octavian-Hume.pdf] Have fun! [[User:Esculenta|Esculenta]] ([[User talk:Esculenta|talk]]) 22:40, 23 May 2024 (UTC) |
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Category:Birds of (African countries)
Isee back in 2016 someone deleted Categories: Birds of...(African countries)but just for the African countries, nowhere else. Long term project is to try to restore them in some fashion....Pvmoutside (talk) 11:06, 17 July 2023
I recently created an article for the Chicken of Tomorrow Contest. It may be of interest to members of this project. Thriley (talk) 20:47, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
Page merges - pending for long time
I want to bring to your attention an issue that has been annoying me for some time, but I don't know how to handle it myself. This relates to the birds of New Zealand.
I need to find someone with a good understanding of the relevant science to perform these merges without introducing errors, and is willing to apply WP:BOLD. Please consider helping if this sounds like a good fit for you.
Talk:Little_penguin: Merge discussion opened August 2023, closed with result of merge April 2024. As of today, the actual merge hasn't happened yet.The taxonomy is nuanced, as discussed in the merge discussion. Please merge both Eudyptula novaehollandiae and Eudyptula into Little penguin.
Talk:Yellow-eyed penguin: Merge discussion opened October 2023. I believe that the result is a merge consensus, but the discussion hasn't closed yet and the merge hasn't happened. Please merge both Waitaha penguin and Megadyptes into Yellow-eyed penguin.
Talk:New Zealand raven: Merge discussion opened November 2023. I believe that the result is a merge consensus, but the discussion hasn't closed yet and the merge hasn't happened. Please merge Chatham raven into New Zealand raven.
Talk:Xenicus: Merge discussion opened November 2023. I believe that the result is a merge consensus, but the discussion hasn't closed yet and the merge hasn't happened. Please merge Pachyplichas into Xenicus. I think that North Island stout-legged wren and South Island stout-legged wren can remain separate articles for now, although this can be revised in the future. Columbianmammoth (talk) 17:59, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
Crested (duck breed)
Could someone kindly take a look at Crested (duck breed)? I've already reverted there more often than I'm comfortable with. Many thanks, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 10:55, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
Missing topics
We don't have entries for in pin or pullus. To what articles or sections could those topics be sensibly redirected? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:57, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- There is a Glossary_of_bird_terms where something could be added for Pullus. There is also a section on Parental_care_and_fledging in Birds and articles on Fledging and Precociality and altriciality. I'm note sure of the best definition of pullus which varies from the general "a young bird" to the more specific "a young bird in the downy stage" or "a young bird or nestling prior to fledging" or "a young bird or nestling that is not yet able to fly". — Jts1882 | talk 13:17, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- There are a number of articles on feathers, which don't mention pullus or in pin, although there is an article on Pin_feathers that could do with some work. — Jts1882 | talk 14:23, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
Redirects now in place. Thank you. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:51, 30 June 2024 (UTC)