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Isee back in 2016 someone deleted Categories: Birds of...(African countries)but just for the African countries, nowhere else. Long term project is to try to restore them in some fashion....[[User:Pvmoutside|Pvmoutside]] ([[User talk:Pvmoutside|talk]]) 11:06, 17 July 2023 |
Isee back in 2016 someone deleted Categories: Birds of...(African countries)but just for the African countries, nowhere else. Long term project is to try to restore them in some fashion....[[User:Pvmoutside|Pvmoutside]] ([[User talk:Pvmoutside|talk]]) 11:06, 17 July 2023 |
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== Unidentified taxidermied Falco == |
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[[File:Unidentified taxidermied hawk at Stromness Museum, Orkney 01.jpg|thumb|upright|Unidentified taxidermied hawk at Stromness Museum, Orkney]] |
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Can we identify the bird in [[:c:Category:Unidentified taxidermied Falco, Stromness Museum]]? <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 16:20, 17 February 2024 (UTC) |
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:{{ping|Pigsonthewing}} would help to have measurements of culmen, wing, tail and tarsus ... [[User:Shyamal|Shyamal]] ([[User talk:Shyamal|talk]]) 14:46, 26 February 2024 (UTC) |
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::I have to contact the museum about something else shortly; I'll take the opportunity to ask. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 15:54, 26 February 2024 (UTC) |
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:::It ''looks'' pretty small, perhaps a juvenile of something like red-footed falcon or kestrel? [[User:Jimfbleak|<b style="font-family:Lucida;color:red">Jimfbleak</b>]] - [[User talk:Jimfbleak|<i style="font-family:arial;color:green">talk to me?</i>]] 14:07, 27 February 2024 (UTC) |
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:Adding to Shyamal's information request, I am interested in clear photographs of the breast plumage and tail feathers (dorsal and ventral). Collection locality would be helpful if available. If collected in North America, this appears much like a ''[[Prairie falcon|Falco mexicanus]]'' for the light superorbital and undereye giving a light-framed eye appearance. There appears to be dense dark patterning on the flanks which is not clearly visible, but may also support ''F. mexicanus''. If non-American in locality, perhaps consider [[Hierofalcon|Hierofalcons]] such as ''[[Saker falcon|Falco cherrug]]''. [[User:Roboraptor2|Roboraptor2]] ([[User talk:Roboraptor2|talk]]) 23:14, 1 April 2024 (UTC) |
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== [[Hepatic tanager]] split == |
== [[Hepatic tanager]] split == |
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Category:Birds of (African countries)
Isee back in 2016 someone deleted Categories: Birds of...(African countries)but just for the African countries, nowhere else. Long term project is to try to restore them in some fashion....Pvmoutside (talk) 11:06, 17 July 2023
Hepatic tanager split
Wikipedia now has very stubby articles for Tooth-billed tanager and Red tanager that were split out from Hepatic tanager (Piranga hepatica). The Hepatic tanager article is kind of a mess now. The habitat section calls it "Brick red cardinal" and is sourced to a Cornell site that recognizes Piranga lutea in a broad sense as the hepatic tanager. The description section has an unsourced paragraph that calls it "Brick-red tangerine" (and the previous paragraph has a reference to a different Cornell site that refers to the species having a range from the United States to Argentina). I'm not sure which, if any, of the information in the hepatic tanager article actually pertains to the narrowly circumscribed species.
Then there are the redirects: Lowland Hepatic-tanager, Northern Hepatic-tanager, Highland Hepatic-tanager, Piranga haemalea, Blood-red Tanager and Blood-red tanager. Where should those go? Plantdrew (talk) 01:37, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
- All of it seems to refer to hepatic s. s., All About Birds tends to focus on the North American side of things because that's what its audience is and the other sources are either range-neutral (the name) or talk about NA (the diet in Mexico). The description is unsourced, but it seems accurate enough for hepatic s. s. and I'm inclined to believe it refers to that. I'm not sure about those common names, but they seem to be for ssp/ssp clusters and should presumably be redirected to which ever sp got that particular ssp. AryKun (talk) 03:31, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
- Birds of the World (Cornell) doesn't recognise the three species but has three species groups, whose subspecies correspond to the IOC species.
- Hepatic Tanager (Northern) [hepatica Group] = IOC Hepatic tanager (P. hepatica) NA, MA : w USA to Nicaragua
- Hepatic Tanager (Highland) [lutea Group] = IOC Tooth-billed tanager (P. lutea) MA, SA : Costa Rica to Bolivia
- Hepatic Tanager (Lowland) [flava Group] = IOC Red Tanager (P. flava) SA : s Guyana through e Brazil to Argentina
- That helps with the first three redirects. P. haemalea is part of the lutea group. The blood-red tanager redirects would seems to point to the red tanagerr, at least if the names are logical, but that isn't always strictly so. — Jts1882 | talk 06:57, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
- Changed the the highland and lowland redirects to the proper targets in case anyone wants to know. AryKun (talk) 07:05, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
- I've added a taxonomy section to all three species articles. While we follow the IOC in deciding which species get articles and the taxonbox classification, to avoid violating NPOV we are supposed to provide alternative views in the the text. So I added the Clements/eBird subspecies groups to the hepatic tanager article. I also added the IUCN two species treatment.
- I've remove the mention of the "brick-red tangerine" and "brick red cardinal" as unsourced and confusing. As far as I can tell brick red is the colour of the male of the northern bird (hepatica group or P. hepatica), not a common name. I renamed the second Habitat section as Feeding. I'm really not sure what to do with those sections as my knowledge is limited. Perhaps someone with access to the BOW site an add something. — Jts1882 | talk 14:08, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
- Changed the the highland and lowland redirects to the proper targets in case anyone wants to know. AryKun (talk) 07:05, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
- Birds of the World (Cornell) doesn't recognise the three species but has three species groups, whose subspecies correspond to the IOC species.
rufous-capped antthrush (Formicarius colma): phylum Chordata
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rufous-capped_antthrush currently says
- The exact phylogeny of the rufous-capped antthrush is poorly understood, however, an estimated phylogeny was constructed in 1983 by Sibley and Ahlquist by comparing sixteen tracer-species through DNA-DNA hybridization. These results elude that they are Passeriformes coming from the phylum Chordata.
Can somebody please take a look at that? It can hardly be necessary to mention that these birds are members of Chordata, not can it have been necessary to use DNA-DNA hybridization to establish that fact.
- 189.122.84.88 (talk) 06:27, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
- Removed the sentence, not particularly necessary to mention Passeriformes either since the position of Formicariidae within Passeriformes isn't to my knowledge particularly controversial. AryKun (talk) 07:03, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
- The 1983 study by Sibley and Ahlquist is now very out of date: the phylogeny is known with some confidence. The rufous-capped antthrush was sampled in a large UCE based study of the suboscines by Michael Harvey and collaborators that was published in 2020.[1] A cladogram showing the rufous-capped antthrush is included in the article on the antthrush family Formicariidae. - Aa77zz (talk) 09:06, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
References
- ^ Harvey, M.G.; et al. (2020). "The evolution of a tropical biodiversity hotspot". Science. 370 (6522): 1343–1348. doi:10.1126/science.aaz6970. hdl:10138/329703. A high resolution version of the phylogenetic tree in Figure 1 is available from the first author's website here.
Dickcissel image on 1,500 pages
File:Spiza americana male 94 231051626 13e01e8125 o cropped flipped.png is found on approximately 1,500 bird Wikipedia articles. This appears to be erroneous. Any way to remove on mass? Antkings (talk) 17:00, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- The reason for its inclusion on so many pages is because it is a part of the default Template:Birdsong. Only those uses of the template that opt to use a separate image for the article to represent a specific species will not have that image. Reconrabbit 17:10, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
Gray-cheeked thrush -- did I make a mistake?
I was surprised to see this bird at the spelling "grey". A quick search of popular bird books and websites (including some in Canada) returned unanimous "gray" spelling, and on inspection of the history it looks like it was created with "gray" and then moved to "grey" without discussion back in 2008. I do see that in e.g. British birding books it's spelled "grey", but I don't see any use by authoritative sources in the bird's actual range. So I moved it. Now, however, I wonder if there's a standard this WikiProject prefers to go by, and to what extent spelling in the native range should matter? Certainly don't want to start an WP:ENGVAR conflict. :) — Rhododendrites talk \\ 22:14, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- We usually go by ENGVAR for the species's range, so your move was fine. AryKun (talk) 23:07, 18 May 2024 (UTC)