User talk:Beshogur

Ottoman Turkish

Hello. This is probably impossible to find a RS written in English that uses دولت روم. However, I think this is probably easier to find a RS about it in Turkish sources. You are right, دولت روم (devlet-i rum) is Persian; but this is true about rest of the names of the Ottoman Empire, including Devlet-i ʿAlīye-i ʿOsmānīye and Devlet-i Ebed-müddet. "-i" (or "-e") is a Persian suffix that makes the words related. Like Naqsh-e Jahan. However, this is not hard to see دولت روم in primary sources. Here is Treaty of Erzurum's text (which is in Persian):

چون در این اوقات اولیای دولتین بهیّتین روس و انگلیس به مقتضای مراتب خیرخواهی و صلاح‌اندیشی سعی و اهتمام تمام دارند که فیمابین دولتین علیّتین ایران و روم اسباب التیام و مسالمت و مصالحت فراهم آورده، به دفع و رفع عوامل بین‌الدولتین پردازند، و وکیلی از جانب خود و دولت علیه روم روانه ارزنهً‌الروم نمایند که در آنجا با وکیل این دولت علیه اجلاس و گفت‌وگو کرده، موافق قانون انصاف قراری درباب مطالب و حقوق ثابته این دولت علیه گذارند.

دولت علیه روم = the Exalted State of Rome

دولتین علیّتین ایران و روم = the two Exalted States; Iran and Rome

The word علیه (ʿAlīye) means exalted, like دولت عليه عثمانیه, which means the Exalted Ottoman State. Aryzad (talk) 17:05, 13 December 2019 (UTC)‎

Alright. Thanks! Beshogur (talk) 17:30, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Future Party

Hello. First of all, you do not remove sourced content in articles. Anyway, even if the Future Party are trying to force through using their entire name as an abbreviation, then that simply does not make it an abbreviation. As I mentioned, this has been attempted by parties such as the Motherland Party. But on Wikipedia, we are to refer to the parties by the names by which they are actually known to the public. As I have demonstrated by adding 4 citations to the GP abbreviations, journalists have already begun referring to the Future Party as GP; that is all we need to also refer to it as such. Do not revert again. Μαρκος Δ 14:10, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

Why aren't you referring to İyi Party as İP then? It is clearly WP:SYNTH. The party says that they have no abbreviation, while you are removing the sourced content. I would ask to revert your edit. Beshogur (talk) 14:17, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

The point of an abbreviation is literally to shorten the name of a party. "Gelecek Partisi" is, by definition, not an abbreviation of "Gelecek Partisi", as it doesn't shorten anything, it's just the same name. I have referred to the İyi Party as both İYİ and İP in the past. Even if the party itself says it has no abbreviation, we generally do not operate with the parties' own self-description, neither when it comes to ideology nor necessarily with regards to abbreviation. The U.S. Republicans are called the GOP even though it's not even related to their current actual name. Calling the Future Party GP is more than fine. I cannot for the life of me understand why you even care about this. The "GP" abbreviation stays, and I will continue to add new sources of GP being used as they come in. Μαρκος Δ 15:31, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

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Magog the Ogre (t • c) 16:43, 14 December 2019 (UTC)