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Women in Red August 2024

Women in Red | August 2024, Volume 10, Issue 8, Numbers 293, 294, 311, 313, 314, 315

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--Lajmmoore (talk 19:59, 25 July 2024 (UTC) via MassMessaging[reply]

SD nomination for Big Apple Records

I'd be interested to know:

What is WP:ADS about Big Apple Records
Why you think @FlyingFish747 is a sock

KitDaCatsun (talk) 15:24, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have no opinion on the speedy deletion tag, User:FlyingFish747 looks like a sock because they have made only one edit on an obscure article which has been tagged for speedy deletion. You would be better off creating articles with the WP:AFC process if you don't want them deleted. Theroadislong (talk) 15:43, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:Sai Rajesh

Hi @Theroadislong, Can you check this draft Draft:Sai Rajesh BubbleWombleBee12 (talk) 12:56, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviews are not done to order, please be patient. Theroadislong (talk) 13:17, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Genealogy Bank

Hi , the references in the Grisley article to GenealogyBank say they are links to newspapers so are you sure they are unreliable? regards, Atlantic306 (talk) 19:57, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh right, I don't have an account there so can't see, feel free to revert me. Theroadislong (talk) 20:01, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, and i'll ask the editor for references that name the details of the newspapers, thanks Atlantic306 (talk) 20:03, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Concern regarding User:Dimitris Anagnostou/sandbox

Hello, Theroadislong. This is a bot-delivered message letting you know that User:Dimitris Anagnostou/sandbox, a page you created, has not been edited in at least 5 months. Drafts that have not been edited for six months may be deleted, so if you wish to retain the page, please edit it again or request that it be moved to your userspace.

If the page has already been deleted, you can request it be undeleted so you can continue working on it.

Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia. FireflyBot (talk) 09:05, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:Lena Snow

You also offered the creating editor advice. I have just pushed the draft back for further work. I felt the draft might still be of interest to you, and that you may be able to expand or, or disagree with, my advice to the editor. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 20:56, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate your comment

They have been condescending towards you earlier, I'm afraid. The discussion will go how it goes. I will not seek to influence it further than my two comments. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 21:18, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Didn't take long to resolve! Theroadislong (talk) 21:23, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think it always was going to go that way in view of their continual doubling down. I have left a charitable comment at the end. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 21:35, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draft https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Afsheen_(musician)

Hi! You left the comment on my article. I did as you asked. Would you mind reviewing it and telling me if it is fine? Many editors at the teahouse told me they were not sure. But I also made a lot of changes with the help of editor @Shenaall , if you did not see. None of it was added before. J2009j (talk) 21:23, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@J2009j you have left messages requesting reviews from several editors such as Paper9oll, Bsoyka and Timtrent among other editors and the Teahouse. It's time to stop forum shopping. Your draft is no more important the almost 3k pending review. S0091 (talk) 21:30, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I asked them, and it was not until the editor @Shenaall, who did a big review and helped me improve the article, so it looks appropriate, because I do not have much experience with articles. With their help I tried to make an entire discography section. I am very thankful. Feel free to read User talk:Shenaall I made literally 2 or so articles about topics I know and I remember you going attacking me dozen times on my page with same thing like - paid paid. I think it is disrespectful towards new users making contributions, that do not know all the details about articles on Wikipedia. Honestly, your tone always seems like you owe Wikipedia, which is not true. It's a public open source. J2009j (talk) 21:57, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You need to explain always and provide WP:diffs of me attacking you dozens of times just like I provided diffs of you requesting reviews from several reviewers (proof). Otherwise, your comments are a personal attack. Unless you have other accounts which you have not disclosed, the only direct interaction we have had is here and the paid notice I just left on your talk page. I will also note I am not the editor who nominated Christopher McDonald (booking agent), an article you created, for deletion so maybe you are confusing me with someone else. S0091 (talk) 22:22, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:Chaparral High School (Texas)

Hello, you commented on my draft for Chaparral High School, saying that there isn't anything suggesting that the school is notable. Can you please elaborate on what would be considered notable for it (like alumni) ? 0ctopusKn1ght (talk) 23:12, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See WP:NSCHOOL for more details. Theroadislong (talk) 06:20, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I see. Thank you very much for your help! 0ctopusKn1ght (talk) 13:15, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:The Desert Song (Max Liebman Presents)

As you have requested, I have submitted my draft for review. I based my information on the DVD, which I own. Apart from the DVD, I do not have any sources for it. Could you please let me know where and how I am supposed to find some reliable sources for it - thank you. Or would it be possible for another Wikipedia editor to add these - if possible.

In the article, I have given links to IMDB and also to an interview with Earl William (who played Hassi in the operetta), about his memories of the production, as well as a link to VAI Music - Video Artists International which manufactured the DVD of the operetta (these were the only information sources that I have been able to find (I did try very hard to find more, but was unsuccessful in this).

I consider "The Desert Song" operetta, with Nelson Eddy and Gale Sherwood, to be very important. It has the only footage of Nelson Eddy in a live full musical - and was also one of a number of the "Max Liebman Presents" operettas, presented on live television in the United States. Also, the "Max Liebman Presents" operetta, although it was adapted for live television, it also far closer to the original operetta than the film versions are.

There is already an article on Wikipedia about the 1953 film of "The Desert Song" (which I also own on DVD), but no article about the Max Liebman Presents operetta as yet, which is the reason why I created the article about the operetta for Wikipedia.

I am an Australian, so do not have the same facilities to check for reliable sources and information for the operetta or DVD that an American might have (after all, it is an American production). Hopefully some other people might have the information needed, in order for the article to be submitted to Wikipedia, that I do not have, and that those people will be kind enough to add the information to the article for me.

I have been editing Wikipedia, and creating masses of articles, for a number of years now, without any problem until now. I joined Wikipedia back in 2005, so I am an experienced editor. The review process was introduced sometime following my last article, so this is the first time that I have come across it - this is the reason why I require help this time (and have asked for it). I am just finding things very difficult because of this review requirement. The earlier process, with creating articles for Wikipedia, was that the original author would create the article with what they knew about the subject - with subsequent authors adding extra information which the original author did not have, or know about, as edits (in other words, creating articles for Wikipedia was far more simple in those days).

As I mentioned previously, I would be grateful for any help with my article, if possible. Thank you. Figaro (talk) Figaro (talk) 12:03, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As previously advised articles are based on what independent, reliable sources have reported, you have none. IMDb, interviews and Pinterest cannot be used they are not reliable sources. If there are no sources available then we can't have an article. Theroadislong (talk) 12:25, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Steve wallis

There was no inappropriate content in the edit. secondly I was fixing the citation error when it gave me an error due to you you reverting it CCPopyo (talk) 19:30, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The content you added was "With her support, Steve became a successful Youtuber and documentary director. Jessica Audrey Wallis passed in her sleep on August 20th, 2022." sourced to YouTube, that was not appropriate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Theroadislong (talk • contribs) 20:12, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

About my article

I have just discovered that, being an autopatrolled member of Wikipedia, I have the right to put my articles onto the mainspace without having to submit them to other reviewers for comments - that I am able to review my own article for its inclusion on Wikipedia. Figaro (talk) Figaro (talk) 09:44, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I saw that you declined the draft article (The Desert Song (Max Liebman Presents)), with the creator not listening to your advice. I have removed that user's autopatrolled flag (which, as you may know, has nothing to do with the ability to move pages, but that's another issue). Schwede 66 10:19, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I was under the impression that I was an autopatrolled member of Wikipedia, so followed what was in the autopatraolled 'manual'.

Unlike the editor Schwede66 has accused me of, I would like to comment that I actually *have* listened to what everyone has said and tried to do whatever was asked of me - but I was not able to proceed any further because I only had the DVD of the operetta to go by - combined with what I was able to discover on the internet (i.e. I was not able to find the references etc. required, although I have continually tried to do so). I have also repeatedly asked for help with my article (including at the Wikipedia help desk), but nobody has been kind enough to help me by setting an example of *how* I was supposed to improve the article, by editing the article to bring it up to the standard acceptable for inclusion on Wikipedia (I presume that I was supposed to automatically *know* where to find what is needed for the article (as I have always said, I don't know, although I have repeatedly tried to do so). If help had actually been given to me, to improve the article by the editing of it, instead of just giving me instructions, it would have meant a great deal to me - not just continually being instructed to find reliable sources and references etc. for it, which I have been *able* to do.

I would like to mention that, if another editor had submitted an article for the live television broadcast of the operetta, then I would not have submitted an article to help fill what I considered a void of information on Wikipedia with my own article (which I have found out present editors consider a poor effort on my part). I felt that the operetta was important to be added to Wikipedia (it is considered an enclopedia, after all) i.e. for Wikipedia to have a full complement of information about the various productions of the operetta (film and television) of the operetta. However, it would seem that quality of an article is more important than having any article on Wikipedia to access the information.

I would also like to mention that I would never have moved the article from it 'draft' position if I had not been under the impression as an autopatrolled member of Wikipedia, and following what was written in the autopatrolled 'manual' of what is allowed to autopatrolled members - i.e. that they are able to put articles onto the Wikipedia without having to go to any reviewers (evidently it was my error to check out this rule). It would appear that the editor Schwede66 thought that I should be punished as a result of what I did. I also did not know that it was mandatory for an autopatrolled member to continually making edits to retain the position of being unpatrolled - evidently there is a new lesson to be learned every day - including the fact that being unpatrolled could be taken away after it has once been given to an editor. Figaro (talk)

Additional Advice for Mordechai Inbari Article

Hi,

Could you provide me any more advice you recommend that I can implement to improve the Mordechai Inbari draft that was rejected?

Thanks Sinbari (talk) 14:26, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It was declined not rejected, you have used primary sources but Wikipedia requires independent sources NOT their own works. Theroadislong (talk) 14:43, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment on Jesse Green article

Hi there,

I legitimately don't understand what you mean by your comment on my drafter article on the theater critic Jesse Green. You say that " I can't find a single independent source here? Wikipedia articles are based on what reliable, independent sources say." There are multiple such reliable independent sources, including The Los Angeles Times, Playbill magazine, New York magazine, 3Views review journal, and the NY Observer.

Whether it's enough or not, there are certainly far more than one single reliable source. I'm not sure if you were tasked with reviewing the AfC or if you were commenting on the article for any other reason. Dizzycheekchewer (talk) 17:47, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It would help reviewers then if you removed all the links to his own writing (they are not helpful) so we could see the wood for the trees. Theroadislong (talk) 18:27, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would hope and expect a reviewer to see past citations backing up a specific claim (that the writer had 10 articles with a certain appellation on them) and not get distracted or lost. Of the first 20 citations, 15 are absolutely bona fide, with the others representing citations for specific quotations or statements of fact. If you're getting lost with these bearings provided, something may have gone awry. Certainly a reviewer could see, if they looked, that one or more of those 15 citations was there and legitimate?

Either way, I'm at the point where I will simply remove the offensive, but completely valid citations. I still don't know why you saw the page, and commented what you did without reviewing the article either way. Dizzycheekchewer (talk) 19:45, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I reviewed the article and left a comment, you acted on the comment and I accepted the article, I don't see what the problem is? Theroadislong (talk) 07:20, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Request on 09:03:11, 9 August 2024 for assistance on AfC submission by AJT80

AJT80 (talk · contribs)
- Draft:Scapa Joe (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Thanks for the quick feedback. I understand the references are somewhat sparse - my other concern was that the article is rather brief (although I think it does cover the subject). If there were suitable references, do you think the brevity would also be an issue?

AJT80 (talk) 09:03, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Brevity is an indication of the lack of notability, they would need to pass the criteria at WP:NARTIST to qualify for an article and it's not clear how they do? Theroadislong (talk) 09:05, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I thought this was the help desk....oops! 331dot (talk) 09:27, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you had the appropriate references, the draft would likely be of sufficient length. As Theroadislong notes, it's not clear how they meet notability guidelines, either specifically as an artist or the broader notable person definition. You wrote that they intend to raise awareness- perhaps once that awareness has been raised and independent reliable sources write about their work and its significance, there will be sufficient sources to support an article, but I think that it is WP:TOOSOON. 331dot (talk) 09:26, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We already have an article on this topic here Freedman?

Thank you for pointing this out. The existing ‘Freedman’ article primarily covers the historical concept of freed individuals, with a focus on ancient Rome. My content focuses specifically on American Freedmen, including their post-emancipation experiences, legal issues, and modern advocacy efforts. I will review the existing article to determine if there is an opportunity to integrate or expand the topic to include this specific context. If necessary, I will propose a new section or article to address these unique aspects. I appreciate your guidance and feedback. Arthurwatkins2904 (talk) 22:18, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Updated References for Review

Thank you for your comments. I have updated the references in accordance with the formatting guidelines you mentioned. Could you please review the changes and let me know if they meet the requirements? Your feedback would be greatly appreciated. Arthurwatkins2904 (talk) 22:21, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Response to your comment on Draft: Hilary DeCesare

Respected editor, thank you so much for the feedback. Could you please help me improving this article to reach the main space? I just need some assistance to highlight which of the references I have used are unreliable sources. I shall be extremely grateful to you. Also, let me know isn't the subject, i.e. Hilary DeCesare a notable person worthy having a Wikipedia entry? Sehar Awais (talk) 19:09, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sehar Awais The subject fails the criteria at WP:GNG, I will not be assisting you further as you are a paid editor, paid editors are assumed to be proficient. Theroadislong (talk) 08:43, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ok thankyou. I knew I will be punished for being honest. Anyways. Take Care Sehar Awais (talk) 09:23, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You are not being punished? You have set yourself up as a paid editor, you are expected to have researched how to edit accordingly. Theroadislong (talk) 09:43, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alright dear. Sehar Awais (talk) 16:00, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page stalker) Sehar Awais, it's pretty oblivious for a paid editor like you to ask a volunteer editor for assistance in improving your article. Please improve it yourself; you're being paid for your time, Theroadislong is not. Bishonen | tålk 11:34, 13 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

ok Sehar Awais (talk) 16:00, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I did not ask for your advice or feedback by the way. Theroadislong has already rejected my submission which was the only article I was not even directly paid for. Being judgmental and rude on this platform is equally against the guidelines which even a newcomer on Wikipedia like I am is well aware of.

Thank you. Sehar Awais (talk) 16:08, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And yet you say on your user page "Currently, I am working on Hilary DeCesare's article for which I am directly compensated". Theroadislong (talk) 16:11, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draft: MultiFAZE mechanism

Thanks for the encouragement, but 1 or 2 other editors seem to be trying to lure me into pitfalls, probably hoping that I will give up. (See also Helpdesk discussion).

My idea of "tidying up" the draft is to streamline it and make it better to read. What would be your idea of "tidying up"? Bryllig (talk) 11:27, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My idea would be to find independent sources that support the content, I can't find any of yours that even mention the MultiFAZE mechanism? Theroadislong (talk) 11:56, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:Koshy's

@Theroadislong

Thank you for reviewing Draft:Koshy's and your feedback. I have improved it and added several independent and credible sources/references. Can you please check. Trvllr1 (talk) 00:31, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]