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Do the following articles represent the same Australian rainbowfish: pl:Tęczanka większa and de:Schwarzband-Regenbogenfisch? --Kimse (talk) 19:09, 3 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm over four years late, but they are not the same species. Those articles are about the black-banded rainbowfish, and I have removed the incorrect Wikidata link to the Polish Wikipedia. There's no article about Melanotaenia fluviatilis on the Polish Wikipedia, so I'm unable to replace it with an accurate link. --Lewis Hulbert (talk) 21:51, 28 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed name change

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I am proposing that we change the name of this article to Melanotaenia fluviatilis, because it is somewhat confusing ascribing "Australian Rainbowfish" only to M.fluviatilis because Melanotaenia duboulayi is also called Australian Rianbowfish in the aquarium trade and is also historically the original "Australian rainbowfish". To quote: Melanotaenia duboulayi is the original "Australian Rainbowfish" and were being maintained in the aquarium hobby around the turn of the twentieth century. [1] Also, to add to the confusion the Australian Melanotaenia genus is generally referred to as "rainbowfish". So it would seem most precise to use the taxonomic name as the title for this article. Any comments? John Moss (talk) 11:02, 27 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

oops ...had a problem with trying italicize the heading on the name change and can't switch it for some reason. Can anyone help?John Moss (talk) 21:08, 27 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Requested move 29 August 2023

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. Consensus that "Murray River rainbowfish" is the WP:COMMONNAME above other vernacular names for the species. (closed by non-admin page mover) ModernDayTrilobite (talkcontribs) 16:20, 21 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]


Melanotaenia fluviatilisMurray River rainbowfish – Sorry to dig this up again @John Moss. The citation (https://fishbase.mnhn.fr/comnames/CommonNamesList.php?ID=22685&GenusName=Melanotaenia&SpeciesName=fluviatilis&StockCode=18008) doesn't give any evidence to back up this statement "The Australian rainbowfish (Melanotaenia fluviatilis), known less commonly as the Murray River rainbowfish". There are a whole bunch of species that could be called "Australian rainbowfish", not just Melanotaenia fluviatilis. As per WP:NCFAUNA, "Use the most common name when possible". The most common name for this species is Murray River rainbowfish. Any objections if I WP:MOVE this?

99% fad-free (talk) 12:28, 29 August 2023 (UTC)— Relisting. —usernamekiran (talk) 04:15, 7 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: WikiProject Fishes has been notified of this discussion. —usernamekiran (talk) 04:13, 7 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: WikiProject Aquarium Fishes has been notified of this discussion. —usernamekiran (talk) 04:13, 7 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Oppose. It's tricky to use common names for aquarium fishes, not only because there can be many of them but also because a common name can refer to multiple species, and the Latin name is unambiguous. But Murray River rainbowfish should definitely be a redirect to this page. --Tryptofish (talk) 17:30, 7 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Have you got any policy guidance that can help us here? I'm not a fan of relying purely on policy, but in this case the policy seems to be providing us with good guidance. e.g. Neon tetra is an aquarium fish and we use the common name in that scenario. In this case, Murray River rainbowfish unambiguously refers to Melanotaenia fluviatilis. WP:NCFAUNA advises to use the common name in this case. Wikipedia:WikiProject Aquarium Fishes#Common name or scientific_name refers us to Wikipedia:WikiProject Fishes#Fish names and article titles:
    "Common name or scientific name
    Article titles should be determined using the guidelines at WP:FISH (naming guidelines)".
    Under "Article titles", I believe that item 1(ii) is applicable.
    "Article naming for fishes differs, as detailed below, from Naming conventions (fauna).
    Use the common name for any species that satisfies at least one of the following criteria:
    ..
    1(ii) The species has a widely recognised common name that is so rarely applied to other species that confusion as to the subject of the article is unlikely to arise. Example: Guppy."
    Murray River rainbowfish is a widely recognised common name and is rarely (or hardly ever) applied to other species. The guidelines state that only one of the criteria needs to be met. This doesn't exclude other common names from existing or being referenced in the article or being used as redirects.
    Although unnecessary (it only needs to satisfy one), I believe it also satisifies 1(iv):
    "1(iv) The species has a common name that is normally seprated from similar common names by use of geographical, descriptive, or other modifications to those names. Once differentiated, these names satisfy criteria i, ii, or iii above. Examples: Shovelnose sturgeon, Little shovelnose sturgeon, False shovelnose sturgeon."
    Crimson-spotted rainbowfish also refers to Melanotaenia duboulayi, which was originally believed to be the same species as Melanotaenia fluviatilis, hence the confusion. Murray River rainbowfish came to refer to Melanotaenia fluviatilis unambiguously as a geographical modification to Crimson-spotted rainbowfish or any other type of rainbowfish. Perhaps decades ago, when the species were only just discovered to be different, it wouldn't have been appropriate to use a common name that wasn't well established, but, at this point in time, the common name has become entrenched. I believe it also satisfies criteria 1(i) and 1(iii) and can go into further detail as to my reasons if necessary. 99% fad-free (talk) 01:33, 8 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Policy seems clear on this, and so do the sources - the common name is the preferred name and there is a clear common name to use here. JTdale 🗩 11:18, 10 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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