Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 July 4

July 4[edit]

Category:Golden Piton winners[edit]

Propose deleting Category:Golden Piton winners (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: wp:OCAWARD — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nayyn (talk • contribs) 23:51, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:OCAWARD. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:56, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. This is a notable award in climbing (with an article on frwiki at Golden Pitons [fr]), and per WP:NCLIMB is covered by most main climbing media E.g. here, here, here. It is noted by climbing media, such as prestigious Golden Piton Award in Gripped Magazine (Canada's main climbing magazine), she won Climbing Magazine’s Golden Piton award, in Outside Magazine (major US magazine), In 2016, she won a Climbing magazine Golden Piton award, in The Guardian, (major UK paper). Not a Piolet d'Or but still notable. One day I will write a standalone article on it, but too many more important climbing articles to tidy up first. thanks. Aszx5000 (talk) 10:51, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:OCAWARD. I just don't see how this award is a defining. The media may mention it, but it isn't something that is covered in the lead of an article Mason (talk) 22:21, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In terms of defining, here are the bios of two major US climbers on their North Face (one of climbing's biggest sponsors) website: Conrad Anker here, and Margo Hayes here. They both list the Golden Piton on their short list of "Accomplishments" (e.g. how they define themselves). The Piton awards are not mentioned on the ledes of their BLPs but I think that is WPs fault and not the award's fault (which I will endeavour to fix at some stage). thanks. Aszx5000 (talk) 00:15, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is an example of how WP:OCAWARD is being interpreted by CfD incredibly narrowly. It is clearly a useful category for those interested in mountaineering / climbing, and defining to those who are in this sport. The same arguments made by Aszx5000 above could be made for a number of other award categories that have been removed by CfD for the rationale WP:OCAWARD. The benefits to those reading Wikipedia and learning from the site about these topics far outweigh the possible "harm" supposedly caused by the existence of this category as per WP:OCAWARD. Nayyn (talk) 01:17, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The same argument should be used for other award categories too. In principle we do not categorize award winners, but some exceptions are allowed. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:26, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment This nomination was malformed and has been fixed. @Nayyn: Next time, please use {{subst:cfd2}} when creating new nominations. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 22:22, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Gilgit-Baltistan stubs[edit]

Propose deleting Category:Gilgit-Baltistan stubs (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: delete or merge, poorly populated stub category and we do not have any similar Pakistani province stub categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:34, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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@Marcocapelle: what do you envision happening with the stub templates in the category? (For ease of reference, they are {{GilgitBaltistan-sport-stub}}, {{GilgitBaltistan-edu-stub}}, and {{GilgitBaltistan-stub}}.) House Blaster (talk · he/they) 01:36, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@HouseBlaster: good question. The templates should be moved to Category:Pakistan stub templates (they should already have been there) and the articles are already in another Pakistan stub subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:03, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Marcocapelle, what stub category should the stub templates feed into? House Blaster (talk · he/they) 21:20, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @HouseBlaster: it becomes clear that I am not experienced in nominating stub categories, with more experience I would have foreseen that I need to include this sort of information in the proposal. The three templates should feed into Category:Pakistani sport stubs, Category:Pakistan stubs, and Category:Pakistan stubs respectively. There is no Category:Pakistan education stubs. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:53, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting for input on Marcocapelle's updated proposal. If there is no further participation; I would close this as rename.
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Category:Tourist attractions in Ontario, California[edit]

Propose merging Category:Tourist attractions in Ontario, California to Category:Tourist attractions in San Bernardino County, California and Category:Ontario, California

Nominator's rationale: Does not aid navigation with only 1 article. User:Namiba 14:13, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per nom. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 17:03, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:43, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:9th-century biologists[edit]

Propose merging Category:9th-century biologists to Category:9th-century scientists

Nominator's rationale: Isolated category. Upmerge for now. Most of the people in the category aren't defined as being biologists. Mason (talk) 13:39, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per WP:NONDEF. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:45, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:British place-names containing Brittonic */kɛːt/[edit]

Propose deleting Category:British place-names containing Brittonic */kɛːt/ (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: delete, not a defining characteristic of these places. By all means mention these four as examples in a language article. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:26, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, fair enough. I created this category, but I see your point. I'll make a list article :-) Alarichall (talk) 22:54, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:SHAREDNAME. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 17:02, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I agree with the above. Bduke (talk) 04:38, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Decades in (Portuguese) Mozambique[edit]

Option A

Propose merging Category:20th century in Portuguese Mozambique to Category:20th century in Mozambique and Category:Portuguese Mozambique
Propose merging Category:Years of the 20th century in Portuguese Mozambique to Category:Years of the 20th century in Mozambique
Propose merging Category:1900s in Portuguese Mozambique to Category:1900s in Mozambique
Propose merging Category:1910s in Portuguese Mozambique to Category:1910s in Mozambique
Propose merging Category:1920s in Portuguese Mozambique to Category:1920s in Mozambique
Propose merging Category:1930s in Portuguese Mozambique to Category:1930s in Mozambique
Propose merging Category:1940s in Portuguese Mozambique to Category:1940s in Mozambique
Propose merging Category:1950s in Portuguese Mozambique to Category:1950s in Mozambique
Propose merging Category:1960s in Portuguese Mozambique to Category:1960s in Mozambique
Propose merging Category:1970s in Portuguese Mozambique to Category:1970s in Mozambique

Option B

Propose merging Category:1900s in Mozambique to Category:1900s in Portuguese Mozambique
Propose merging Category:1910s in Mozambique to Category:1910s in Portuguese Mozambique
Propose merging Category:1920s in Mozambique to Category:1920s in Portuguese Mozambique
Propose merging Category:1930s in Mozambique to Category:1930s in Portuguese Mozambique
Propose merging Category:1940s in Mozambique to Category:1940s in Portuguese Mozambique
Propose merging Category:1950s in Mozambique to Category:1950s in Portuguese Mozambique
Propose merging Category:1960s in Mozambique to Category:1960s in Portuguese Mozambique

Nominator's rationale: merge or reverse merge, these are clearly duplicate decade categories. In option A the 20th century categories should follow in tandem. I have a weak preference for option A, "Portuguese" is an unnecessary addition because it was Portuguese until 1973 by implication. Also, at least in the 20th century, Portuguese Mozambique covered about the same area as the current republic (that was very different in earlier centuries though). If this goes ahead one way or the other then presumably establishments and disestablishments subcategories may be speedied per C2C. This is follow-up on a discussion with User:Fayenatic london. I will tag both sets of categories. See also yesterday's pre-20th century nomination. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:26, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Option A per precedent Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2015 June 5#Category:20th century in Mozambique. Also place pre-independence centuries and C20 decades & years into Category:Portuguese Mozambique, and reverse [1] which removed the similar period categories in Angola from Portuguese Angola. I acknowledge that this would inaccurately grandparent some indigenous contents (inland of the colonists, e.g. Mbunda Kingdom), as Marcocapelle pointed out at the initial discussion Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 29#Category:18th century in Mozambique, but WP:SUBCAT has always made allowance for a few exceptions. – Fayenatic London 12:05, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Tourism in Faisalabad[edit]

Propose merging Category:Tourism in Faisalabad to Category:Faisalabad
Propose merging Category:Tourism in Rawalpindi to Category:Rawalpindi

Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory each. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:00, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:History of Malaya[edit]

Propose merging Category:History of Malaya to Category:Federation of Malaya

Nominator's rationale: merge, the category seems to be about the Federation of Malaya. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:15, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Category:History of Malaya is a sebset serving as the intersection of Category:Federation of Malaya and Category:History of Peninsular Malaysia. CMD (talk) 08:21, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The federation no longer exists, a separate history category does not seem to add a lot. If not merged then at least rename to Category:History of the Federation of Malaya. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:49, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - the history of Malaya/Malaysia is more complex than just merging 'Federation' JarrahTree 08:41, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So what do you suggest? Marcocapelle (talk) 08:49, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Mongol states[edit]

Propose merging Category:Mongol states to Category:Former countries in Mongolian history

Nominator's rationale: merge or reverse merge, it is unclear how the categories are different from each other. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:10, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The difference is that some of the Mongol states were not physically located in present-day Mongolia. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 01:03, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@LaundryPizza03: doesn't that apply to both categories? Marcocapelle (talk) 06:07, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No, because all of the countries in the Mongolian history category had territory in Mongolia, whereas the Khanate of Kazan was located in European Russia. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 06:40, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ok, so that means merge is not an option, but reverse merge still is. It seems too confusing to keep them both. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:28, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Baseball players from Ames, Iowa[edit]

Propose splitting Category:Baseball players from Ames, Iowa to Category:Sportspeople from Ames, Iowa and Category:Baseball players from Iowa

Nominator's rationale: Dual merge; only two articles. No object to recreation if there are more articles to be added. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:03, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per nom. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 20:36, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There are now 3 articles. There are over 200 articles in Category:Baseball players from Iowa and Ames is one of the larger cities in Iowa. I'd prefer to keep or at least rename Category:Baseball players from Story County, Iowa which would be slightly larger.--User:Namiba 21:54, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on Namiba's comment? (Keeping it to diffuse Category:Baseball players from Iowa and possibly renaming to broaden its scope.)
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Category:Fictional chimney sweepers[edit]

Propose merging Category:Fictional chimney sweepers to Category:Mass media portrayals of the working class

Nominator's rationale: Most articles in here are works of media, which don't belong here anyway, while the one character that does can be merged to Category:Fictional domestic workers. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 04:36, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge and recategorize per nom. The category does not contain what it says to contain. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:47, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Rename to Category:Works about chimney sweeps per actual contents, as will be done with the recent closure of the Category:Fictional millers CfD. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 01:18, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on renaming?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, House Blaster (talk · he/they) 15:04, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Same question: thoughts on renaming?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, House Blaster (talk · he/they) 00:26, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Renaming is also an option. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:37, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]