Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Paul Karpowich

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete first, keep second. This is formatted rather strange though. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 16:00, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Paul Karpowich

Non-notable junior player who has yet to play professionally so fails WP:ATHLETE. Has not won any major awards that would otherwise indicate notability. Can be recreated when and if he plays professionally or otherwise achieves notability. Djsasso (talk) 13:00, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Hockey-related deletion discussions. —Djsasso (talk) 13:02, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete both per nom. Neither player has any major awards, nor any other significant accomplishments that would set them apart from other junior players. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Resolute (talk • contribs)
Delete both per nom. Black ngold29 19:04, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete both: We're not even talking about major junior players, which even so would not make them notable. RGTraynor 20:47, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Karpowich is non-notable, but see below. Grsz ^talk 03:00, 25 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Non-notable hockey player. Maybe in a couple years, but not now.leafschik1967 (talk) 22:27, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Has yet to win a major individual award in major junior hockey or the NCAA. Patken4 (talk) 00:47, 28 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete not professional, yet: therefore fails WP:ATHLETE. No other valid assertion of notability. ccwaters (talk) 14:07, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. -- Gmatsuda (talk) 19:30, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Does not meet notability. – Nurmsook! (talk) 05:29, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Scott Winkler

Strong Keep:
He might be a junior national team player, but in Norway he played 3 years for the Frisk Tigers, who are in the highest division in Norway. He's also only the 11th Norwegian player to get drafted to the NHL, only the 3rd on this side of the century.
I understand you want to delete junior players from nations who gets drafted every year, like Canada and the United States for example. But in this case I think we should make an exception, or else Category:Drafted Norwegians will be incomplete. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Theilert (talk • contribs)
- Comment Just being drafted does not make one notable, and personally I think that category should probably go as well. That being said the source I had looked at had him only playing with the Junior version of the Frisk Tigers. Not the pro version. That being said I have since found one that has him listed as playing for the pro version, but it doesn't mention if he was playing as a pro or an amateur, as some of these leagues mix both. And either way it was only 1 year he played with the pro team not 3. -Djsasso (talk) 14:03, 25 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - played in the top Norwegian pro league, which makes him pass WP:ATHLETE. Grsz ^talk 03:00, 25 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep for playing in the top tier Norwegian league. matt91486 (talk) 18:54, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - played in Norway's top league as a pro (Based on his EuroHockey profile), even if he went back to Jr afterwards.

Keep - Played 25 games in the GET-ligaen, according to EuroHockey.net.Delete Based off Twas Now's comment that the league is not "fully professional". Patken4 (talk) 15:56, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment*** – While the GET-ligaen is the highest hockey league in Norway, the pay is not enough to support players in the off-season. Thus, it might be considered something less than "fully professional". − Twas Now ( talk • contribs • e-mail ) 13:53, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Well, at the moment we don't have any sources to corroborate that claim, and it is still the highest level in a relatively significant hockey playing nation. matt91486 (talk) 16:34, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Even though one doesn't make as much money from playing in Norway as playing in the NHL, doesn't make them less professional. You can live off the salary, but some people have extra jobs to enhance their living standard. Norway is in fact an expensive country to live in. lil2mas (talk) 17:13, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - Players in the Canadian Football League often have to hold second jobs to support their families. Regardless of how much you earn, if you're getting paid, you're pro. It just so happens that some leagues are richer than others. – Nurmsook! (talk) 05:29, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This AfD nomination was incomplete. It is listed now. DumbBOT (talk) 08:56, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.