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colocated with
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Description | event sharing location, facility or organization with another, typically larger event where using the "part of" relation leads to undesired implications, e.g., since there are related instance relations such as “Event –hasProceedings→ Publications” that do not share the part of relation but are typically independent. |
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Represents | event (Q1656682) |
Data type | Item |
Domain | item |
Example 1 | 3rd International Workshop on Knowledge Graph Construction (KGCW 2022) (Q113576121)colocated withESWC 2022 (Q110791806) |
Example 2 | 1st Workshop on Artificial Intelligence for Cultural Heritage (Q115616426)colocated with21st International Conference of the Italian Association for Artificial Intelligence (Q115793135) |
Example 3 | COB: Core Ontology for Biology and Biomedicine 2021 Workshop (Q108544405)colocated with12th International Conference on Biomedical Ontology (Q108555471) |
Example 4 | Paralympic Games (Q73633)colocated-withOlympic Games (Q5389) |
Expected completeness | always incomplete (Q21873886) |
Motivation
Workshops and other smaller scientific events more often than not are organized and performed in the context of a bigger event/conference.
The notation for stating the relation between the smaller and bigger event is often using "colocated" or "@" in the title of the smaller event.
E.g. 1st International Workshop on Cloud Intelligence (colocated with VLDB 2012), Cloud-I '12, Istanbul, Turkey, August 31, 2012 has the "colocated" syntactic element but is not linked to the VLDB 2012 - 38th International Conference on Very Large Data Bases at this time.
A short form of the "colocated" syntax is using the "@" sign as in: Proceedings of the 1st Workshop on Artificial Intelligence For Healthcare (HC@AIxIA 2022), co-located with 21th International Conference of the Italian Association for Artificial Intelligence (AIxIA 2022), Udine, Italy, November 30, 2022.
which should be linked to 21st International Conference of the Italian Association for Artificial Intelligence
Mostly such links are missing in wikidata as of 2023-01-11 - as a workaround it is common to use part of instead see https://github.com/WDscholia/scholia/issues/2220 for the issues involved with this property usage.
Conference Entries such as https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q105979018 should IMHO be avoided. This entry IMHO denotes three different events that are colocated with each other. They happen at the same date and location but are different events with different proceedings and so on.
Workshops are often colocated with conferences, sometimes conferences are colocated with each other. Being able to show these relations will make curating scientifc events easier.
Events and their colocated events typically have a 1:N relation. N:M relations should IMHO be avoided. Events and their colocated events typically share common properties such as the time, location, sponsors and so on but as outlined in the comments below there may be special and corner cases and "political" circumstances leading to complex and complicated scenarios. Having the "colocated" relation might lead to necessary qualifiers or other additions to the relation if usecases come up that need to clarify these details.
WolfgangFahl (talk) 15:14, 12 March 2022 (UTC) updated --WolfgangFahl (talk) 11:05, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
Discussion
Comment This does seem to be a reasonable proposal for a relationship we don't currently have. However, can you create suitable examples from existing Wikidata items to clarify exactly how you plan for this proposed property to work? ArthurPSmith (talk) 18:24, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
Comment The example in the motivation would have to be split into three different events. http://ceur-ws.org/Vol-139/ shows the proceedings of a workshop that if it should be entered into wikidata would have it's own entry while the conference it is colocated with https://mobiquitous.eai-conferences.org/2021/ would be another entry linked by the proposed property. In my database at https://conferencecorpus.bitplan.com/ there are 66 examples that have "colocated" even in the title and would need splitting and linking via the property. https://dblp.org/db/conf/etaps/index.html shows the colocation of a whole series of workshops with the ETAPS Event series.
query
SELECT source,coalesce(year, '') year,title
FROM event where title like "%colocated%"
order by year,source
result
source | year | title |
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tibkat | 1998 | 24th European Conference on Optical Communication, September 20 - 24, 1998, Madrid, Spain, [colocated with: 4th European Exhibition on Optical Communication], EEOC '98 / ECOC '98. [Organized by Telefónica...] ; Vol. 1: Regular and invited papers |
tibkat | 1998 | 24th European Conference on Optical Communication, September 20 - 24, 1998, Madrid, Spain, [colocated with: 4th European Exhibition on Optical Communication], EEOC '98 / ECOC '98. [Organized by Telefónica...] ; Vol. 2: Tutorials and symposium papers; Symposium on Extended Wavelength and Second Window Optical Amplifiers |
tibkat | 1998 | 24th European Conference on Optical Communication, September 20 - 24, 1998, Madrid, Spain, [colocated with: 4th European Exhibition on Optical Communication], EEOC '98 / ECOC '98. [Organized by Telefónica...] ; Vol. 3: Postdeadline papers |
crossref | 2004 | Proceedings of the 7th International Workshop on the Web and Databases colocated with ACM SIGMOD/PODS 2004 - WebDB '04 |
dblp | 2004 | Proceedings of the Seventh International Workshop on the Web and Databases, WebDB 2004, June 17-18, 2004, Maison de la Chimie, Paris, France, Colocated with ACM SIGMOD/PODS 2004 |
dblp | 2005 | P2PKM '05, Peer-to-Peer Knowledge Management, Proceedings of the Second Workshop on Peer-to-Peer Knowledge Management, July 17, 2005, UCSD, La Jolla, San Diego, California, USA - Colocated with The Second Annual International Conference on Mobile and Ubiquitous Systems: Networking and Services (MobiQuitous 2005) |
dblp | 2007 | Anticipatory Behavior in Adaptive Learning Systems, From Brains to Individual and Social Behavior [the book is a result from the third workshop on anticipatory behavior in adaptive learning systems, ABiALS 2006, Rome, Italy, September 30, 2006, colocated with SAB 2006] |
dblp | 2007 | Proceedings of the 1st International Workshop on Ambient Information Systems, Colocated at Pervasive 2007, Toronto, Canada, May 13, 2007 |
dblp | 2007 | Proceedings of the 2nd International Workshop on Case Based Reasoning and Context-Awareness Colocated with the 7th International Conference on Case Based Reasoning (ICCBR), Belfast, Northern Ireland, August 15, 2007 |
dblp | 2007 | PLAN-X 2007, Programming Language Technologies for XML, An ACM SIGPLAN Workshop colocated with POPL 2007, Nice, France, January 20, 2007 |
tibkat | 2007 | Scheduling and planning applications : selected papers from the Spark Workshop series ; [papers presented in this volume have been selected from the International Scheduling and Planning Applications WoRKshop (SPARK) series, colocated with the International Conference on Automated Planning and Scheduling (ICAPS) ... This special issue gathers selected contributions from 2007 to 2008 editions] |
tibkat | 2007 | 5th International Conference on Natural Language Processing (ICON-2007) : January 4 - 6, 2007 ; [colocated with IJCAI-07] |
tibkat | 2007 | Special issue on pulsed power science and technology : [... 16th IEEE International Pulsed Power Conference held in Albuquerque, NM, in 2007 ; this conference was combined with the 34th IEEE International Conference on Plasma Science (ICOPS) ; in addition, a joint plenary session was held with the colocated 22nd IEEE Symposium on Fusion Engineering] |
tibkat | 2007 | 2007 IEEE Symposium on Computers and Communications : [ISCC 2007]; Santiago [i.e. Aveiro], Portugal, 1 - 4 July 2007; [colocated with the Second Workshop on MultiMedia Applications over Wireless Networks, MediaWin 2007] / [sponsored by: IEEE Communications Society; IEEE Computer Society...] ; Vol. 1 |
tibkat | 2007 | 2007 IEEE Symposium on Computers and Communications : [ISCC 2007]; Santiago [i.e. Aveiro], Portugal, 1 - 4 July 2007; [colocated with the Second Workshop on MultiMedia Applications over Wireless Networks, MediaWin 2007] / [sponsored by: IEEE Communications Society; IEEE Computer Society...] ; Vol. 2 |
tibkat | 2007 | 2007 IEEE Symposium on Computers and Communications : [ISCC 2007]; Santiago [i.e. Aveiro], Portugal, 1 - 4 July 2007; [colocated with the Second Workshop on MultiMedia Applications over Wireless Networks, MediaWin 2007] / [sponsored by: IEEE Communications Society; IEEE Computer Society...] ; Vol. 3 |
tibkat | 2007 | 12th IEEE Symposium on Computers and Communications, 2007 : ISCC 2007 ; 1 - 4 July 2007, Aveiro, Portugal ; [colocated with the] Second Workshop on MultiMedia Applications over Wireless Networks, MediaWin 2007 |
CEUR-WS | 2008 | Proceedings of Workshops colocated with the MobIS-2008 conference: EPK-2008, KobAS-2008 and ModKollGP-2008,Saarbrücken, Germany, November 27-28, 2008.Submitted by: Thorsten Dollmann, Peter Loos |
dblp | 2008 | Proceedings of the Workshops colocated with the MobIS2008 Conference: Including EPK2008, KobAS2008 and ModKollGP2008, Saarbrücken, Germany, November 27-28, 2008 |
dblp | 2008 | PLAN-X 2008, Programming Language Technologies for XML, An ACM SIGPLAN Workshop colocated with POPL 2008, San Francisco, California, USA, January 9, 2008 |
tibkat | 2010 | 14th Conference on Computational Natural Language Learning 2010 : (CoNLL 2010); colocated with ACL 2010; Uppsala, Sweden, 15 - 16 July 2010 / [organized by SIGNLL, the ACL Special Interest Group on Natural Language Learning] |
tibkat | 2010 | 14th Conference on Computational Natural Language Learning 2010 : (CoNLL 2010); colocated with ACL 2010; Uppsala, Sweden, 15 - 16 July 2010 / [organized by SIGNLL, the ACL Special Interest Group on Natural Language Learning]: Shared task |
tibkat | 2011 | Special issue: agent-based simulations, adaptive algorithms, ICCS 2011 Workshop : [... is devoted to the papers presented during "Agent Based Simulations, Adaptive Algorithms and Solvers" Workshop colocated with the Eleventh International Conference on Computational Sciences, held in Singapore (June 1 - 3, 2011) |
dblp | 2012 | Coalgebraic Methods in Computer Science - 11th International Workshop, CMCS 2012, Colocated with ETAPS 2012, Tallinn, Estonia, March 31 - April 1, 2012, Revised Selected Papers |
dblp | 2012 | 1st International Workshop on Cloud Intelligence (colocated with VLDB 2012), Cloud-I '12, Istanbul, Turkey, August 31, 2012 |
tibkat | 2012 | Coalgebraic methods in computer science : 11th international workshop, CMCS 2012, colocated with ETAPS 2012, Tallin, Estonia, March 31 - April 1, 2012 ; revised selected papers |
tibkat | 2012 | Intelligent narrative technologies : papers from the 2012 AIIDE workshop ; [held October 8 - 9, 2012 at Stanford University, Stanford, California, USA ; colocated with the 8th AAAI Conference on Artificial Intelligence and Interactive Digital Entertainment (AIIDE'12)] |
CEUR-WS | 2013 | Proceedings of the Educators' Symposium (EduSymp 2013) colocated with MODELS 2013,Miami, USA, September 30th, 2013.Submitted by: Perdita Stevens |
dblp | 2013 | 2nd International Workshop on Cloud Intelligence (colocated with VLDB 2013), Cloud-I '13, Riva del Garda, Trento, Italy, August 26, 2013 |
dblp | 2013 | Grid and Pervasive Computing - 8th International Conference, GPC 2013 and Colocated Workshops, Seoul, Korea, May 9-11, 2013. Proceedings |
tibkat | 2013 | 2013 9th International Conference on Network and Service Management (CNSM 2013) [and its three colocated workshops 8th International Workshop on Internet Charging and QoS Technologies (ICQT), 7th International DMTF Academic Alliance Workshop on Systems and Virtualization Management (SVM), Workshop on Social-aware Economic Traffic Management for Overlay and Cloud Applications (SETM)] : Zürich, Switzerland, 14 - 18 October 2013 |
tibkat | 2013 | 2013 9th International Conference on Network and Service Management (CNSM) and its three colocated workshops 8th International Workshop on Internet Charging and QoS Technologies (ICQT), 7th International DMTF Academic Alliance Workshop on Systems and Virtualization Management (SVM), Workshop on Social-aware Economic Traffic Management for Overlay and Cloud Applications (SETM) : Zürich, Switzerland, 14 - 18 October 2013 |
tibkat | 2013 | 2013 17th International Conference on Information Visualisation (IV 2013) : London, United Kingdom, 16 - 18 July 2013 ; [including papers of colocated conferences] |
wikicfp | 2013 | SDAIN 2013 : 2nd International Workshop on Semantic and Dynamic Analysis of Information Networks - SDAIN 2013 colocated with ASONAM 2013 |
dblp | 2014 | Coalgebraic Methods in Computer Science - 12th IFIP WG 1.3 International Workshop, CMCS 2014, Colocated with ETAPS 2014, Grenoble, France, April 5-6, 2014, Revised Selected Papers |
tibkat | 2014 | Coalgebraic methods in computer science : 12th IFIP WG 1.3 international workshop, CMCS 2014, colocated with ETAPS 2014, Grenoble, France, April 5 - 6, 2014 ; revised selected papers |
tibkat | 2015 | 2015 Workshop on Socio-Technical Aspects in Security and Trust (STAST 2015) : Verona, Italy, 13 July 2015 : [colocated with 28th IEEE Computer Security Foundations Symposium (CSF)] |
tibkat | 2015 | 2015 Workshop on Socio-Technical Aspects in Security and Trust (STAST) : 13 July 2015, Verona, Italy : colocated with 28th IEEE Computer Security Foundations Symposium (CSF) |
dblp | 2016 | Coalgebraic Methods in Computer Science - 13th IFIP WG 1.3 International Workshop, CMCS 2016, Colocated with ETAPS 2016, Eindhoven, The Netherlands, April 2-3, 2016, Revised Selected Papers |
dblp | 2016 | Proceedings of the First Conference on Machine Translation, WMT 2016, colocated with ACL 2016, August 11-12, Berlin, Germany |
tibkat | 2016 | Coalgebraic methods in computer science : 13th IFIP WG 1.3 international workshop, CMCS 2016, colocated with ETAPS 2016, Eindhoven, The Netherlands, April 2-3, 2016 : revised selected papers |
dblp | 2018 | Coalgebraic Methods in Computer Science - 14th IFIP WG 1.3 International Workshop, CMCS 2018, Colocated with ETAPS 2018, Thessaloniki, Greece, April 14-15, 2018, Revised Selected Papers |
dblp | 2018 | PROOFS 2018, 7th International Workshop on Security Proofs for Embedded Systems, colocated with CHES 2018, Amsterdam, The Netherlands, September 13, 2018 |
tibkat | 2018 | Coalgebraic methods in computer science : 14th IFIP WG 1.3 International Workshop, CMCS 2018, colocated with ETAPS 2018, Thessaloniki, Greece, April 14–15, 2018 : revised selected papers |
wikicfp | 2018 | BigCyber 2018 : Workshop on Big Data for CyberSecurity (Colocated with IEEE BigData 2018) |
wikicfp | 2018 | DSHCM 2018 : The 2nd International Workshop on Data Science for Human Capital Management (colocated with ECML-PKDD'18) |
CEUR-WS | 2019 | Proceedings of the First Workshop on Intelligent Textbooks (iTextbooks 2019), colocated with AIED 2019,Chicago, IL, USA, June 25, 2019.Submitted by: Sergey Sosnovsky |
dblp | 2019 | Proceedings of 8th International Workshop on Security Proofs for Embedded Systems, PROOFS 2019, colocated with CHES 2018, Atlanta, GA, USA, August 24, 2019 |
CEUR-WS | 2020 | Proceedings of the PrivateNLP 2020: Workshop on Privacy in Natural Language Processing- Colocated with WSDM 2020, Houston, USA, Feb 7, 2020.Submitted by: Sepideh Ghanavati |
dblp | 2020 | Joint Proceedings of Workshops AI4LEGAL2020, NLIWOD, PROFILES 2020, QuWeDa 2020 and SEMIFORM2020 Colocated with the 19th International Semantic Web Conference (ISWC 2020), Virtual Conference, November, 2020. |
dblp | 2020 | Coalgebraic Methods in Computer Science - 15th IFIP WG 1.3 International Workshop, CMCS 2020, Colocated with ETAPS 2020, Dublin, Ireland, April 25-26, 2020, Proceedings |
dblp | 2020 | GPGPU@PPoPP '20: 13th Annual Workshop on General Purpose Processing using Graphics Processing Unit colocated with 25th ACM SIGPLAN Symposium on Principles and Practice of Parallel Programming, San Diego, California, USA, February 23, 2020 |
dblp | 2020 | PMAM@PPoPP '20: Eleventh International Workshop on Programming Models and Applications for Multicores and Manycores colocated with the 25th ACM SIGPLAN Symposium on Principles and Practice of Parallel Programming, San Diego, California, USA, February 22, 2020 |
dblp | 2020 | Proceedings of the PrivateNLP 2020: Workshop on Privacy in Natural Language Processing - Colocated with WSDM 2020, Houston, USA, Feb 7, 2020. |
tibkat | 2020 | Coalgebraic methods in computer science : 15th IFIP WG 1.3 international workshop, CMCS 2020, colocated with ETAPS 2020, Dublin, Ireland, April 25-26, 2020 : proceedings |
tibkat | 2020 | ASLD 2020 - advances in semantics and linked data: joint workshop proceedings from ISWC 2020 : joint proceedings of workshops AI4LEGAL2020, NLIWOD, PROFILES 2020, QuWeDa 2020 and SEMIFORM2020 : colocated with the 19th International Semantic Web Conference (ISWC 2020) : virtual conference, November, 2020 |
tibkat | 2020 | PrivateNLP 2020: Workshop on Privacy in Natural Language Processing : proceedings of the PrivateNLP 2020: Workshop on Privacy in Natural Language Processing - colocated with WSDM 2020 : Houston, USA, Feb 7, 2020 |
wikicfp | 2020 | DSRE 2020 : Data Science for Retail and E-commerce workshop (colocated with SIAM SDM 20) |
wikicfp | 2020 | KGEcom 2020 : Knowledge Graphs and E-commerce workshop, colocated with ACM KDD'2020 |
wikicfp | 2020 | NLPaSE 2020 : 1st Workshop on Natural Language Processing Advancements for Software Engineering (NLPaSE) Colocated with 27th APSEC 2020 |
tibkat | FOOL VII : [Seventh International Workshop on Foundations of Object-Oriented Languages, held on January 22, 2000, colocated with the ACM Symposium on Principles of Programming Languages in Boston, Massachusetts, USA] | |
tibkat | Final program and proceedings - DPP 2005, International Conference on Digital Production Printing and Industrial Applications : May 9 - 13, 2005, Amsterdam, the Netherlands ; colocated with GRAFIVAK | |
tibkat | Emerging web services technology, volume III : [proceedings of the 3rd Workshop on Emerging Web Services Technology 2008 (WEWST '08), which was colocated with the 6th European Conference on Web Services (ECOWS '08) and took place in November 2008 in Dublin, Ireland] | |
tibkat | Emerging Web Services Technology Volume III : [this third volume on Emerging Web Services Technologies follows the current research activities in the areas of Web Services and Service Oriented Architectures. It includes the proceedings of the 3rd Workshop on Emerging Web Services Technology 2008 (WEWST'08), which was colocated with the 6th European Conference on Web Services (ECOWS'08) and took place in November 2008 in Dublin, Ireland. In addition, this volume features three papers from the ECOWS'08 business track.] | |
tibkat | BioNLP shared task 2013 : Sofia, Bulgaria, 9 August 2013 ; [presented at the ACL/HLT BioNLP-ST Workshop colocated with the BioNLP Workshop] | |
tibkat | Proceedings of the 7th International Workshop on the Web and Databases colocated with ACM SIGMODPODS 2004 |
--WolfgangFahl (talk) 09:40, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
- @WolfgangFahl: a property needs three examples that are about which subjects is supposed to be linked to which object. Providing the query result, is not providing those examples. ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 11:20, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
- Examples:
- Q113576121 is colocated with Q110791806 (see https://ceur-ws.org/Vol-3141/)
- Q115616426 is colocated with Q115793135 (see https://ceur-ws.org/Vol-3286/)
- Q108544405 is colocated with Q108555471 (see https://icbo2021.inf.unibz.it/accepted-workshops/)
- Q113580034 is colocated with Q115793227 (see https://ceur-ws.org/Vol-3014/)
- And most of the part of relations of this query need to be replaced with the colocated with relation. Tholzheim (talk) 11:13, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
- Examples:
Support — Finn Årup Nielsen (fnielsen) (talk) 10:18, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
Comment Can you clarify in the definition the following? "Co-located" is in my field also used a lot for meeting directly before or after the main meeting, but that's excluded by the current definition. Second, when compared to "is part of" is who organizes it. This is sometimes even quite political, e.g. with respect to sponsoring conditions, etc. Should the definition say something about co-located meetings being organized by another organization than the main event? Or is this domain-specific too? --Egon Willighagen (talk) 10:28, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
- @Egon Willighagen I personally think "colocated" is a property is syntactically triggered by having e.g. "colocated" in the title of an event. The semantics are probably not properly defined since this is in the eyes of the people using the colocated in the first place. "Colocated" clearly indicates that there are two separate entities involved and that these two entities should be linked with "colocated" relation. To define the meaning more precisely i personally wouldn't take an analytic approach but go by how the relation is actually used in practice and then find out the most common meaning. So it's kind of a hen and agg problem - we'd need the wikidata property in the first place to find out more about it's precise meaning. Personally i am sure it is definitely something different than "part of" and being a specialization of "part of" might even not be the standard case. WolfgangFahl (talk) 10:43, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
Support Okay, thanks for the extra detail. This will help the consistent use of the property later, I think. --Egon Willighagen (talk) 05:25, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
- @Egon Willighagen I personally think "colocated" is a property is syntactically triggered by having e.g. "colocated" in the title of an event. The semantics are probably not properly defined since this is in the eyes of the people using the colocated in the first place. "Colocated" clearly indicates that there are two separate entities involved and that these two entities should be linked with "colocated" relation. To define the meaning more precisely i personally wouldn't take an analytic approach but go by how the relation is actually used in practice and then find out the most common meaning. So it's kind of a hen and agg problem - we'd need the wikidata property in the first place to find out more about it's precise meaning. Personally i am sure it is definitely something different than "part of" and being a specialization of "part of" might even not be the standard case. WolfgangFahl (talk) 10:43, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
Comment The general meaning of "colocate" is "to share a location or facility with something else". This implies the property could also be use symmetric (A colocated B = B colocated A). The proposal misses a property description to adress this. Moreover the property is not limited to scientific events but to anothing with location or facility, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colocation_(business) for examples. We should first collect some examples beyound academic conferences, e.g. Paralympic Games (Q73633) co-located with Olympic Games (Q5389). I modified description and example of the proposal. -- JakobVoss (talk) 07:21, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
- @JakobVoss In practise "co-located" is used asymmetrically: "small workshop is co-located with big conference", see, e.g. all the CEUR workshop processings https://ceur-ws.org. Example "Proceedings of the 17th International Workshop on Ontology Matching (OM 2022) co-located with the 21th International Semantic Web Conference (ISWC 2022)" https://ceur-ws.org/Vol-3324/. "typically larger event" would be ok for me. — Finn Årup Nielsen (fnielsen) (talk) 21:02, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
Support — Tholzheim (talk) 08:49, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
Support (I slightly rephrased the Description to further clarify it.) —Langec (talk) 09:05, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
Support Philip Strömert (talk) 10:12, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
Support Acka47 (talk) 09:17, 3 February 2023 (UTC)